Is it responsive enough?

[815TooCooL]

Well I've heard that Real Ka50 pilots almost never fly with a Saitek.

 

Sarcasm won't help us anything, and you.

Real pilots do not fly with PC, either.

So what are you doing here? To mock?

 

And I fly with a Microsoft.

Edited January 23, 2009 by =815=TooCooL
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[Reticuli]

I think he just means we are making due with different HOTAS and situations that we find at home, compensating and adjusting as needed. Since you already have to manually trim in the real helo, there's really not much reason to not have the three channels fully into their attitude hold modes when flying the real shark. That makes sense, as it's an additional advantage and works with you in that situation. Having Flight Director on and the three channels into their rate dampening-only modes seems to be a great work around for a lot of people without forcefeedback, which makes a great deal of sense to me and parallels human factors research that's been done on the subject. The next evolution tends to be a desire to have the joystick simply command the attitude hold dynamically, but I digress.

Edited January 23, 2009 by Reticuli

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

Considering yaw is simply a function of the difference in rotation between the two rotors, right, I would also agree you should seemingly have more yaw authority.Plus you get a tail rudder assist. In forward flight, I've seen footage of Kamovs doing flat yaw-turns at speed and they did them faster than we can in the sim and without bumping rotors.

 

Totally agree

 

By the way, what kind of lcd goggles do you use? Ever tried integrating the eMagin Z800 into what you use? Do you actually do professional camera footage with it or is that separate and the UAV stuff is just recreational?

I use this pair of goggle http://www.rc-tech.ch/web/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=20&category_id=18&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26 plus a 7" lcd monitor mounted on the TX. On my head I also use a 2 axis gyroscope that works the same as the trackIR and it pan/tilt my cameras as I move my head.

 

I do aerial photography professionally but mainly from real helicopters, now I'm setting up a new airplane with HD cameras and a Quadrocopter for professional use, starting from nex spring. These are some video editing that I've done while testing the stuff last year. http://www.vimeo.com/album/35104

[ericinexile]

Sarcasm won't help us anything, and you.

Real pilots do not fly with PC, either.

So what are you doing here? To mock?

 

And I fly with a Microsoft.

 

Didn't intend to offend. But I have encountered this argument alot ("Real pilots don't do it") and frankly I find it silly. We are "flying" a high fidelity simulation of a real helicopter--but it is FAR from a real helicopter. Real Ka50 pilots don't have their control authority limited by their trim system--WE DO! Real Ka50 pilots wouldn't get near the thing if it had the control systems that we all use to manipulate electrons on our displays. I don't mean this as a slap at ED as they have done an amazing job with DCS. But you must make allowances.

 

I fly for a living and I also fly some of airplanes I've flown profiessionally on FSX and X-plane. Both simulations do a very good job but I still greatly adjust the way I "virtually fly" to make allowances for the fact that I'm not in the real thing.

 

Smokin' Hole

[Maverick-GER-]

Totally agree

I do aerial photography professionally but mainly from real helicopters, now I'm setting up a new airplane with HD cameras and a Quadrocopter for professional use, starting from nex spring. These are some video editing that I've done while testing the stuff last year. http://www.vimeo.com/album/35104

 

OT: just watched your freestylin' video, too bad computer graphics arent that beautiful yet lol

btw. cant you mount some guns and blow up a van lol wanna compare the explosion effects rofl

[Reticuli]

Totally agree

 

 

I use this pair of goggle http://www.rc-tech.ch/web/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=20&category_id=18&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26 plus a 7" lcd monitor mounted on the TX. On my head I also use a 2 axis gyroscope that works the same as the trackIR and it pan/tilt my cameras as I move my head.

 

I do aerial photography professionally but mainly from real helicopters, now I'm setting up a new airplane with HD cameras and a Quadrocopter for professional use, starting from nex spring. These are some video editing that I've done while testing the stuff last year. http://www.vimeo.com/album/35104

 

My Z800 is high contrast 800x600 OLED HMD with built-in IC-based micro gyros. I've mildly helped a couple people over the net get them working for their RCs with built in cameras, as well as one helo flight training school in Europe who wanted to pair them with X-Plane. I personally just use it for flight sims that will work with it. But I love what you're doing with the HD cameras there. We had a Panasonic Vericam in film school I seriously wanted to mount inside a UAV, but they're like the size of old VHS video cameras. Had a nice shutter and speed adjustment on it for undercranking, though. I guess the d4 now, though expensive, would be about the right size to do it. 4000 line RC photography...hmm...gives me butterflys thinking about it. I think eMagin is finally about to come out with a 1600x1200 HMD, but I'm not sure what the price will be. They already doubled the price on the 800x600 model over what I originally paid.

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

OT: just watched your freestylin' video, too bad computer graphics arent that beautiful yet lol

btw. cant you mount some guns and blow up a van lol wanna compare the explosion effects rofl

 

no guns but I practice formation flight with a guy from my team IAT.

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

My Z800 is high contrast 800x600 OLED ......

 

I know the z800, it's used from some guys of the FPV community, but more than resolution what we're looking for it's the angle of view.. and brightness/contrast/colors, the best comes out to be the Headplay goggles...

[Reticuli]

What's FPV?

[aledmb]

What's FPV?

First Person View

[Reticuli]

LCoS on a stereoscopic HMD? Wow. My Z800 has better colors and contrast than my 37" HD screen. That headplay must be really good. Some things about the eMagins I don't like are about 1/3 of the early OLEDs go bad, there's a variation in the pixel brightness like film grain, some dead pixels, and you have to calibrate them so both OLEDs match pretty close. I found great use out the some DVD's THX drop shadow test screen to adjust each of the rgb channels on both to match up. Really fixes that issue, but the others remain. How long has this home UAV hobby been going on so strong? The first time I ever heard about it was with the guys who needed help with the eMagin just a few years ago. That is such a smart move for this company to have gone the home UAV route and kept prices low. eMagin kind of abandoned a lot of us and went to catering to the military. I don't even think their forum is up anymore.

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

What's FPV?

 

It's a new way of piloting rc aircrafts.. in first person view like in a sim using real tame video cameras mounted on the cockpit, with pan/tilt camera moving with the pilot's head just like with he trackIR...

[Reticuli]

is there any telemetry, for hud-type stuff?

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

is there any telemetry, for hud-type stuff?

 

there are many, f16 style, custom style, make it yourself style, with airspeed, groundspeed, altitude (baro), distance from pilot, heading to take off area... temperature of motors... rpm.. whatever you need.

 

I use no HUD but my airplanes are gyrostabilized, plus they have 4 infrared cameras to remain levelled with the horizon and they have autopilot to follow waypoints or back to takeoff area if I fly over the max range of radio.

 

The hold position feature of quadrocopters works better of the ks50 auto hover.. eheh

[Reticuli]

Outstanding!