Czechnology Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 Anyone have them? Early version gets some bombing techno wizardry, but until we get the DMAS we don't get a CCIP equivalent as best I understand it. 2
Aussie_Mantis Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 can't find a table but this might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df-WR6AIezc
JNelson Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 8:48 PM, Czechnology said: Anyone have them? Early version gets some bombing techno wizardry, but until we get the DMAS we don't get a CCIP equivalent as best I understand it. Our F-4E has dive toss, this is like a pseudo CCRP mode, you have the WSO lock the main lobe clutter from the radar in the air-gnd mode (don't be fooled this is the same as boresight pretty much but the antenna doesn't move when locked and the range scale can be greater than 5 nmi) then the pilot puts the pipper on the target as accurately as possible and depresses the bomb release, this tells the computer what the slant range is and it computes the target point, then using the INS the computer figures out when to drop the bomb so it hits the target. 11 3 Community A-4E-C
Czechnology Posted January 22, 2023 Author Posted January 22, 2023 19 hours ago, JNelson said: Our F-4E has dive toss, this is like a pseudo CCRP mode, you have the WSO lock the main lobe clutter from the radar in the air-gnd mode (don't be fooled this is the same as boresight pretty much but the antenna doesn't move when locked and the range scale can be greater than 5 nmi) then the pilot puts the pipper on the target as accurately as possible and depresses the bomb release, this tells the computer what the slant range is and it computes the target point, then using the INS the computer figures out when to drop the bomb so it hits the target. Yeah, was that aforementioned technowizardry I had mentioned. Very interesting system that I'm excited to try out when y'all do drop 1
Dragon1-1 Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 Real men bomb with the tables and pipper. At least, that's what Phantom pilots thought for a long time. Historically, dive toss was underused. How well it worked for bombing things under a thick tree canopy is another thing, but the story goes that F-4s weren't terribly accurate with the pipper, either. 1
Omega417 Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 I cannot find the F-4 publication. I have the A-6A tactical pocket guide but I dont think that'll help out in this instance. There is a Military Manual Index website thats hard to navigate but you might be able to find the manual number in there.
Gambit21 Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 I have the F-4 Mission Employment Tactics Fighter Fundamentals (manual) from a mate who was an F-4 driver. This edition is from 1988 mind you, but I don't think much changed. Are you referencing the Bombing error analysis chart? Airspeed, Alt, Dive angle, Bank, G loading. etc. I also have the F-4E Aircrew Weapons Delivery Manual from 1979, (from the same friend) it's a huge 3-ring binder thing. I don't see a simple "bombing table" in there, but there are all sorts of charts, drawings, angles, etc etc for various weapons and delivery modes. Let me know if you're after anything specific, but I think HB will have this handled.
Omega417 Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Gambit21 said: I have the F-4 Mission Employment Tactics Fighter Fundamentals (manual) from a mate who was an F-4 driver. This edition is from 1988 mind you, but I don't think much changed. Are you referencing the Bombing error analysis chart? Airspeed, Alt, Dive angle, Bank, G loading. etc. I also have the F-4E Aircrew Weapons Delivery Manual from 1979, (from the same friend) it's a huge 3-ring binder thing. I don't see a simple "bombing table" in there, but there are all sorts of charts, drawings, angles, etc etc for various weapons and delivery modes. Let me know if you're after anything specific, but I think HB will have this handled. That should be it. Those charts should show Mils based on dive angle, Velocity, and Altitude for all ordnance.
Gambit21 Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Omega417 said: That should be it. Those charts should show Mils based on dive angle, Velocity, and Altitude for all ordnance. It's pages and pages of info in the surface attack section. Everything from DMAS, DTOS, Targeting pod, GBU delivery profiles, loft bombing, dive toss, etc etc etc, diagrams etc...pages and pages and pages of stuff to nerd-out on. Too much to copy and send along to anyone though. That said I don't see any ordinance specific charts per-se. Diagrams yes, plenty of those.
Nealius Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 I have a feeling most of us will be doing it the DCS way once it's released, like we did with the F-1. Active pause at desired dive angle, altitude, release speed, pickle, watch where the bomb impacts, adjust pipper to put it on the crater, note mil setting. Unpause. Rinse and repeat.
Omega417 Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Gambit21 said: Too much to copy and send along to anyone though. Whats the DOC number on that one?
Gambit21 Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Omega417 said: Whats the DOC number on that one? The F-4E Aircrew Weapons Delivery Manual - 1F-4E-34-1-1 15 April, 1979 The Mission Employment Tactics Manual MCM 3-3 TACM 3-3 PACAFM 3-3 USAFEM 3-3 Volum3 VII July 1988 Edited January 24, 2023 by Gambit21
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