Toga10 Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 Hi all, HB have already confirmed that the aircraft will be released with only an air to air capability. We know that the aircraft will come with missiles including meteor, iris t, AMRAAM and at a later time the ASRAAM, but theyve said very little on what other AG capabilities it will have aside from saying to will have LGB's. Whilst i hope we'll get advanced like the Brimstone and Stormshadow im doubtful. what weapons do you think it will get? A list of AG weapons the Typhoon is capable of carying: Paveway IV Paveway II MK83/84 GBU 38 JDAM ALARM Anti radiation missile TAURUS KEPD 350 Stormshadow Brimstone JSOW AGM-65 Mavrick Crv-7 Rocket Pods (unguided) BL755 (available but not used by any operators) NSM Penguin (available but not used by any operators)null AGM-88C HARM (available but not used by any operators) BGT High Performance PEnetrator (available but not used by any operators) BGT High Performance Explosive Bomb (available but not used by any operators) 1
Zahnatom Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 They might limit it to weapons that Germany uses. Here's the website of the Bundeswehr... if this is all we'd get then that wouldn't be a lot(as in only the GBU-48 and GBU-54 soon™)... seems like a boring decision to me... so hopefully its more than just that. They could add the Taurus as flight testing and integration was done on the German IPA7(reg 98+07). the same aircraft has also been spotted with the Storm Shadow(just keep in mind that this is very aircraft is used for testing) AGM-88 HARM might be interesting because we did sign a contract for Eurofighter ECR just last year. Personally i think that HB/TG are going to start with weapons that are in active service with the GAF right now. 1 #payrazbam #payrazbam #payrazbam
F-2 Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 Hey I know this is air to ground but I just realized. Did we ever confirm AIM-9L?
Dustband Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 According to the interview with the Luftwaffe Eurofighter pilot in the Fighter Pilot Podcast, they are only using GPS and Laser-guided weapons. The canards block the pilot from having a good view of ground targets for traditional bombing runs, so they're not using general purpose bombs like the Mk83/84. That was quite an interesting tidbit of information. 4
Zahnatom Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 2 hours ago, F-2 said: Hey I know this is air to ground but I just realized. Did we ever confirm AIM-9L? the Bundeswehr lists it as one of the weapons used on the Eurofighter. its not a regular 9L though, its the L/i so its more comparable to the AIM-9M 1 #payrazbam #payrazbam #payrazbam
Toga10 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Posted January 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Zahnatom said: They might limit it to weapons that Germany uses. seems like a boring decision to me... Hb/tg have said that instead of focusing on recreating a specific tranche and block, they're going to make a Frankenstein typhoon which mixes the capabilities and options of typhoons to make a jet which theoretically could be real and is more representative of the fleet as a whole rather than one specific spec. so I belive it probably will not be limited to just the weapons used by the Luftwaffe. For instance it was confirmed by one of ED beta testers that the jet was going to get the ASRAAM which as far as I'm aware is only used by the RAF, RSAF and QAF as far as I'm aware.
Spectre11 Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Toga10 said: Hb/tg have said that instead of focusing on recreating a specific tranche and block, they're going to make a Frankenstein typhoon which mixes the capabilities and options of typhoons to make a jet which theoretically could be real and is more representative of the fleet as a whole rather than one specific spec. so I belive it probably will not be limited to just the weapons used by the Luftwaffe. For instance it was confirmed by one of ED beta testers that the jet was going to get the ASRAAM which as far as I'm aware is only used by the RAF, RSAF and QAF as far as I'm aware. That statement is most certaonly related to data/information availability concerning aircraft systems and in particular avionics. The weapons integrated and cleared on the Typhoon for different operators and A/C standards are well known. So I'd not expect Frankenstein weapon loadouts, only some Frankenstein avionics, where data or information is missing with regard to particular build standards.
Spectre11 Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 17 hours ago, Toga10 said: Hi all, HB have already confirmed that the aircraft will be released with only an air to air capability. We know that the aircraft will come with missiles including meteor, iris t, AMRAAM and at a later time the ASRAAM, but theyve said very little on what other AG capabilities it will have aside from saying to will have LGB's. Whilst i hope we'll get advanced like the Brimstone and Stormshadow im doubtful. what weapons do you think it will get? A list of AG weapons the Typhoon is capable of carying: Paveway IV Paveway II MK83/84 GBU 38 JDAM ALARM Anti radiation missile TAURUS KEPD 350 Stormshadow Brimstone JSOW AGM-65 Mavrick Crv-7 Rocket Pods (unguided) BL755 (available but not used by any operators) NSM Penguin (available but not used by any operators)null AGM-88C HARM (available but not used by any operators) BGT High Performance PEnetrator (available but not used by any operators) BGT High Performance Explosive Bomb (available but not used by any operators) The marketing ploy has caused a lot of confusion with many people. An aircraft being exibited withvan array of weapons on a static display or some powerpoint slides means nothing. Of relevance is which weapons are actually integrated, cleared and used. The majority of the weapons in your list are not integrated, cleared and used by any operator on their Typhoons. As long as we get the GAF variant it's GBU-48 only for the time being. Italians and Spanish additionally use GBU-10/16 and the British the Paveway IV, Storm Shadow and Brimstone 2. Kuwaitis will get Mk82/83/84 and GBU-31. That's it for the time being. Anything else is speculative what if, or could be.
Zahnatom Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Toga10 said: Hb/tg have said that instead of focusing on recreating a specific tranche and block, they're going to make a Frankenstein typhoon which mixes the capabilities and options of typhoons to make a jet which theoretically could be real and is more representative of the fleet as a whole rather than one specific spec. so I belive it probably will not be limited to just the weapons used by the Luftwaffe. For instance it was confirmed by one of ED beta testers that the jet was going to get the ASRAAM which as far as I'm aware is only used by the RAF, RSAF and QAF as far as I'm aware. According to Diehl BGT Defence(the manufacturer of the IRIS-T), 5 out of 6 Eurofighter users use the IRIS-T so that leaves the RAF as the only Eurofighter + ASRAAM customer. Ignore this, its an old brochure Anyways, while HB/TG have stated that they're not making a specific version of the Eurofighter, they have said that they're focusing on the German version of the Eurofighter... pretty sure that all of you(including HB/TB) would agree that having only one bomb as your one and only ground ordnance is kinda sad... Maybe we'll get GBU-54 and Taurus because those have been spotted on German Eurofighters(not ones for testing like the IPA7) but thats pure speculation Edited January 22, 2023 by Zahnatom #payrazbam #payrazbam #payrazbam
Spectre11 Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, Zahnatom said: According to Diehl BGT Defence(the manufacturer of the IRIS-T), 5 out of 6 Eurofighter users use the IRIS-T so that leaves the RAF as the only Eurofighter + ASRAAM customer. Ignore this, its an old brochure Anyways, while HB/TG have stated that they're not making a specific version of the Eurofighter, they have said that they're focusing on the German version of the Eurofighter... pretty sure that all of you(including HB/TB) would agree that having only one bomb as your one and only ground ordnance is kinda sad... Maybe we'll get GBU-54 and Taurus because those have been spotted on German Eurofighters(not ones for testing like the IPA7) but thats pure speculation Taurus is not integrated on the aircraft and the aircraft weapon interface is something you'll be hard pressed to find any usable information about. TG/HB wouldn't be serious if the implemented Taurus. GBU-54 is similar to the GBU-48 as far as the weapon/aircraft integration is concerned but it's not integrated yet either. It's not as much a stretch, as would be Taurus, or other weapons for that matter.
F-2 Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 55 minutes ago, Бойовий Сокіл said: Why would you use a 9L on a Typhoon? It was basically never used outside of maybe testing in the early days - the whole thing was designed with the IRIS-T in mind. If you want to use the 9L, might as well fly the F-4E instead. https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/ausruestung-bewaffnung/aim-9l-i-sidewinder it’s still listed as an active weapon. I think it would be fun for Training scenarios where you are doing bfm and want to do a handicap. Also I think it was more common on the Tranche 1 aircraft which didn’t initially have HMS.
Rick Mave Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 8:49 PM, Zahnatom said: Personally i think that HB/TG are going to start with weapons that are in active service with the GAF right now. I would agree with that, though I would like to see more weapons added to the EF as well. HARMs especially, possibly the Taurus. Both would add a lot of utility to it. 1
Bananabrai Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 1:16 PM, Rick Mave said: Taurus Taurus is overrated. It's still nice, but not fully integrated so far. On TOR it is fully pre-planned weapon, it is not TOO such as SLAM, SLAM-ER or JSOW. Not sure if there is a DL between Taurus and Typhoon. Weapon was designed without data connection in mind. You bring it to the planned release point and drop it like a Mk-84. It does it's thing and you fly home. You'd have to plan everything in ME or maybe before engine start on the F10 map. Much like the Viggen data cartridge from F10 before start-up. Alias in Discord: Mailman
Rick Mave Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) Hmmm. Right. I guess what I mean is that to me, the most interesting modules are the ones that I can interact with the most amount, while not feeling like I 1) have to do absolutely everything and feel like I have to fight the modules systems or 2) have to do absolutely nothing and the aircraft is so simple and hands off that I feel like a chauffeur for a computer... Either way, I think the EF will be one of my favourite modules for sure. I just hope that, with time, we also get some armament options that will open up more versatility (especially munitions which are interesting to operate, rather than overly powerful ones. Anti radiation missiles, decoys, Brimstones, etc come to mind). Edited February 8, 2023 by Rick Mave spelling
Bananabrai Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 21 hours ago, Rick Mave said: Hmmm. Right. I guess what I mean is that to me, the most interesting modules are the ones that I can interact with the most amount, while not feeling like I 1) have to do absolutely everything and feel like I have to fight the modules systems or 2) have to do absolutely nothing and the aircraft is so simple and hands off that I feel like a chauffeur for a computer... Either way, I think the EF will be one of my favourite modules for sure. I just hope that, with time, we also get some armament options that will open up more versatility (especially munitions which are interesting to operate, rather than overly powerful ones. Anti radiation missiles, decoys, Brimstones, etc come to mind). Don't get too exited. The picture at the top is very enthusiastic. Theoratically EF is a multi purpose platform. But most of these weapons were never even test fitted, there is no code in the aircraft to handle it, there were no seperation tests, flight tests, etc. Paveway IV Paveway II MK83/84 GBU 38 JDAM ALARM Anti radiation missile TAURUS KEPD 350 Stormshadow Brimstone JSOW AGM-65 Mavrick Crv-7 Rocket Pods (unguided) BL755 (available but not used by any operators) NSM Penguin (available but not used by any operators)null AGM-88C HARM (available but not used by any operators) BGT High Performance PEnetrator (available but not used by any operators) -> never heard of that one BGT High Performance Explosive Bomb (available but not used by any operators) -> never heard of that one Alias in Discord: Mailman
Zahnatom Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bananabrai said: BGT High Performance PEnetrator (available but not used by any operators) -> never heard of that one BGT High Performance Explosive Bomb (available but not used by any operators) -> never heard of that one thats the english translation of HOPE(HOchleistungs Penetrator) and HOSBO(HOchleistungs Spreng BOmbe). They're glide bombs developed by Diehl BGT Defence and they were apparently tested on the Tornado IDS but no one has bought them yet. Diehl Defence displayed a further development of that with 'Pilum' which would be a partnership between Diehl Defence and Rafael to equip the bomb with the seeker of the 'spice' bomb(kit?). They're developing this weapon for Eurofighter customers but I guess no one is interested unfortunately Edited February 9, 2023 by Zahnatom #payrazbam #payrazbam #payrazbam
Bananabrai Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 Alright, thanks. The only thing I really see possible is EGBU-16 & Paveway IV. Maybe Mk-83/-84 and GBU-38. I don't see Taurus happening. Storm Shadow and Brimstone as well. Alias in Discord: Mailman
Spectre11 Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) GBU-54 might be an option. It's the dual mode version (LJDAM) of the 38 (JDAM). Edit: The GBU-38 isn't integrated yet, but the heavier GBU-31 has been integrated for Kuwait. As far as the avionic interface is concerned the GBU-31 and GBU-38 are identical. The -54 adds the laser option already available to the PW IV and GBU-48 (EGBU-16). Edited February 9, 2023 by Spectre11 1
Rick Mave Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Bananabrai said: Don't get too exited. The picture at the top is very enthusiastic. Theoratically EF is a multi purpose platform. But most of these weapons were never even test fitted, there is no code in the aircraft to handle it, there were no seperation tests, flight tests, etc. Paveway IV Paveway II MK83/84 GBU 38 JDAM ALARM Anti radiation missile TAURUS KEPD 350 Stormshadow Brimstone JSOW AGM-65 Mavrick Crv-7 Rocket Pods (unguided) BL755 (available but not used by any operators) NSM Penguin (available but not used by any operators)null AGM-88C HARM (available but not used by any operators) BGT High Performance PEnetrator (available but not used by any operators) -> never heard of that one BGT High Performance Explosive Bomb (available but not used by any operators) -> never heard of that one Oh I know, I know. I'm just saying that this would be what an ideal module would look like in my opinion. Still, some anti radiation missiles would be awesome. 1
F-2 Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 5:39 PM, Zahnatom said: the Bundeswehr lists it as one of the weapons used on the Eurofighter. its not a regular 9L though, its the L/i so its more comparable to the AIM-9M https://books.google.com/books?id=4Ig-AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA23&dq=asraam+bgt+"consortium"&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK4Niciaf9AhUAFFkFHe4cDQIQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=asraam bgt "consortium"&f=false apparently the L/I uses the seeker developed for the 80s incarceration of the ASRAAM which is exciting!
Zahnatom Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, F-2 said: https://books.google.com/books?id=4Ig-AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA23&dq=asraam+bgt+"consortium"&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK4Niciaf9AhUAFFkFHe4cDQIQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=asraam bgt "consortium"&f=false apparently the L/I uses the seeker developed for the 80s incarceration of the ASRAAM which is exciting! it seems to be rather advanced but there is unfortunately very little information on it. the PAF apparently bought some in 2019 1 #payrazbam #payrazbam #payrazbam
Zahnatom Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 Airbus to make Eurofighter fit for electronic combat | Airbus AARGM, apparently. Spoiler i am aware that this is an old post but everything in this sub forum is dead so who cares #payrazbam #payrazbam #payrazbam
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