Phantom Monitor Fix

GregP · March 16, 2009

Well I'll be damned! S77th-RYKE, you were right, those were the settings I needed to change to get my screens to center properly! Problem is ... I don't seem to be getting any better framerate with the PMF than I do without it. It's a slideshow. :(

ARM505, I did try alt-tabbing out and trying to toggle PMF, but this doesn't seem to make any difference.

GregP · March 16, 2009

But wait ... now I'm confused: in cypher1312's original post in this thread, he uses a resolution width of 1680+1280=2960, not the 1280+1680+1280 that it would be if he were rendering the phantom monitor too. So I think by using 3968 in my settings rather than 2944, I've short-circuited whatever benefit the PMF would have given me. Right?

S77th-RYKE · March 17, 2009

glad it worked :) I don't see any increase in frame rates either using the script , but I think that has probably to do with the bottleneck being the CPU and not the GPU .

the advantage of it to me is seeing the framerate counter and being able to use 2 monitors in multiplayer .

So I think by using 3968 in my settings rather than 2944, I've short-circuited whatever benefit the PMF would have given me. Right?

I think that you have to tell the script the total size of displays so that it knows where to move the new center to .

maybe cypher will enlighten us by telling us exactly what the script does so that we may better understand the process and maybe get to do it manually when things evolve...

also it would be great if anyone could find how to fix the game crashes when taking screenshots with dual monitors under vista 64 .

WynnTTr · March 17, 2009

also it would be great if anyone could find how to fix the game crashes when taking screenshots with dual monitors under vista 64 .

Strange, I can take screenshot w/o any problems. With either FRAPS or just prtScn

S77th-RYKE · March 17, 2009

Strange, I can take screenshot w/o any problems. With either FRAPS or just prtScn

really ?? cool .. thanks for the info

man I wonder what's going on with me the error says avisomething.dll

GregP · March 18, 2009

the advantage of it to me is seeing the framerate counter and being able to use 2 monitors in multiplayer .

Can you also see the controls indicator (ENTER - RCTRL)? I've heard this is supposed to be the other benefit of using the PMF. After playing with it some more last night, I can confirm that no matter what I do, I never see the framerate counter nor the controls indicator for some reason.

I think that you have to tell the script the total size of displays so that it knows where to move the new center to .

Ah - yes, that makes sense. So I think cypher1312 somehow just made a mistake in this first post where he leaves the res of his rightmost monitor out of the "width" property in his options.lua.

For me, in XP the PMF seems to have no effect whatsoever; under Vista, it moves my left screen slightly off-center but leaves the center screen centered, but again doesn't offer any benefit either in terms of FPS or seeing framerate counter or controls indicator. Sure wish cypher1312 would come back!

WynnTTr · March 19, 2009

Can you also see the controls indicator (ENTER - RCTRL)? I've heard this is supposed to be the other benefit of using the PMF. After playing with it some more last night, I can confirm that no matter what I do, I never see the framerate counter nor the controls indicator for some reason.

I can confirm you can see rctrl-enter

AlphaInfinity · March 19, 2009

Hi Guys,

Help would be greatly appreciated. The "Camera" view seems fine, but shkval and abris is seems to be cut off on the right screen. It would be great if I could get it adjusted so that the phantom monitor fix included. My primary monitor is on the left(1920X1200) and my secondary is on the right at 1280X1024.

{

["multiMonitorSetup"] = "test",

["color"] = "32",

["heatBlr"] = 1,

["scenes"] = "high",

["water"] = 2,

["fullScreen"] = false,

["visibRange"] = "High",

["aspect"] = 3.30666,

["textures"] = 2,

["shadows"] = 2,

["display_mode"] =

{

["avi"] =

{

["bpp"] = 32,

["resolution"] = "640x480",

["full_screen"] = false,

["aspect"] = 1.333333333,

["height"] = 480,

["width"] = 640,

}, -- end of ["avi"]

}, -- end of ["display_mode"]

["effects"] = 3,

["lights"] = 2,

["haze"] = 1,

["terrPrld"] = "20",

["height"] = 1200,

["resolution"] = "3200x1200",

["civTraffic"] = 0,

["width"] = 3968,

}, -- end of ["graphics"]

} -- end of options

/CODE]

[code]

DDescription = 'ABRIS and Shkval on the right and camera on the center'

Viewports =

{

Center =

{

x = 1024; -- Starts at 1024 because of the 1024x768 "phantom" screen on the left

y = 0;

width = 1920; -- actual pixel width of the main display

height = 1200; -- actual pixel height of the main display

viewDx = 0;

viewDy = 0;

aspect = 1.777777; -- =1680/1050

}

Shkval =

{

x = 3456; -- as the Shkval starts at the second half of the right monitor, this is 1024 (the phantom width) plus 1680 (the main view width) plus half of 1024 (halfway across the right monitor width)

y = 0;

width = 512; -- half of 1024, the secondary monitor width

height = 768/2; -- to keep the aspect correct, half the height of the secondary screen

}

ABRIS =

{

x = 2944; -- starts at the left of the secondary screen, so 1024 (the width of the phantom) plus 1680 (the width of the main screen)

y = 0;

width = 512; -- half the secondary screen pixel width

height = 768; -- full height of the secondary screen

}

/CODE]

Edited March 19, 2009 by AlphaInfinity

yO · March 19, 2009

hi tere... i would like to know if there is any chance of geting 3 monitors configuration to work, with those advices of yours, or its be better to go and continue to search for another posts... (its not easy for programming noob).

(my conf: left 1280x1024 cent 1680x1050 right: 1280x1024 ;

*******(------nVidia 8800 Ultra-------)(----8400 GS---)

------------------768 MB--------------------256 MB----

OS vista 32 cpu q6600 4GB RAM ) and like others nV users i dont have a pan scan function in my nVidia Cntrl panel, so im working on dual view, (i know its strange, but for the first card the software tels dual view, and for the second single view, but my whole desktop is on those three monitors)

Soft that i use : SoftTH (for LFS) and UltraMon (for desktop)

P.S. if u cant help pls at least give me some directions where to start to look for it. THX

Edited March 20, 2009 by yO!

GregP · March 19, 2009

AlphaInfinity,

My understanding is that the phantom monitor, especially if on the left, needs to use the same res as the right monitor. Therefore, your assumption in your numbers of 1024 on the left screen makes BS think the right screen should be 1024 also, and therefore it doesn't center your Shkval and ABRIS correctly.

Two things you could try to test this:

1) Drop the res (in Nvidia/ATI Control Panel) of your right monitor to 1024.

2) Go through your test.lua and options.lua and re-set your numbers based on assuming 1280 width on both left and right monitors.

GregP · March 19, 2009

yO!,

What are you trying to do with 3 monitors? Just extend the cockpit view? Or put Shkval/ABRIS on separate monitors?

S77th-RYKE · March 19, 2009

Can you also see the controls indicator (ENTER - RCTRL)? I've heard this is supposed to be the other benefit of using the PMF. After playing with it some more last night, I can confirm that no matter what I do, I never see the framerate counter nor the controls indicator for some reason.

Ah - yes, that makes sense. So I think cypher1312 somehow just made a mistake in this first post where he leaves the res of his rightmost monitor out of the "width" property in his options.lua.

For me, in XP the PMF seems to have no effect whatsoever; under Vista, it moves my left screen slightly off-center but leaves the center screen centered, but again doesn't offer any benefit either in terms of FPS or seeing framerate counter or controls indicator. Sure wish cypher1312 would come back!

weird that you don't see the fps counter , have you tried for fun to send data to opposite monitor instead ? might be because fps is trying to be writen on "unrefreshed" part of your abris/skhval display .. I saw some weird after images there myself , but since my main monitor is on the left the fps counter appeared there to me .

unfortunately for me :D:D:D,errors during testing this dual monitor thing made me have a 2 wide view at some point and I liked it , so I had to go out and get a new vid card , so I'm now running triple monitors with Softh.

I hold cypher responsible and will sue him for the price of extra monitor and vid card .

GregP · March 19, 2009

weird that you don't see the fps counter , have you tried for fun to send data to opposite monitor instead ? might be because fps is trying to be writen on "unrefreshed" part of your abris/skhval display .. I saw some weird after images there myself , but since my main monitor is on the left the fps counter appeared there to me .

Actually that could be exactly my problem - do these default to the left monitor? If so, that would explain it. Good idea, I'll try shifting Shkval and ABRIS over to my right monitor.

S77th-RYKE · March 19, 2009

Hi Guys,

Help would be greatly appreciated. The "Camera" view seems fine, but shkval and abris is seems to be cut off on the right screen. It would be great if I could get it adjusted so that the phantom monitor fix included. My primary monitor is on the left(1920X1200) and my secondary is on the right at 1280X1024.
 
{
["multiMonitorSetup"] = "test",
["color"] = "32",
["heatBlr"] = 1,
["scenes"] = "high",
["water"] = 2,
["fullScreen"] = false,
["visibRange"] = "High",
["aspect"] = 3.30666,
["textures"] = 2,
["shadows"] = 2,
["display_mode"] =
{
["avi"] =
{
["bpp"] = 32,
["resolution"] = "640x480",
["full_screen"] = false,
["aspect"] = 1.333333333,
["height"] = 480,
["width"] = 640,
}, -- end of ["avi"]
}, -- end of ["display_mode"]
["effects"] = 3,
["lights"] = 2,
["haze"] = 1,
["terrPrld"] = "20",
["height"] = 1200,
["resolution"] = "3200x1200",
["civTraffic"] = 0,
["width"] = 3968,
}, -- end of ["graphics"]
} -- end of options
/CODE]

[code]

DDescription = 'ABRIS and Shkval on the right and camera on the center'
Viewports =
{
Center =
{
x = 1024; -- Starts at 1024 because of the 1024x768 "phantom" screen on the left
y = 0;
width = 1920; -- actual pixel width of the main display
height = 1200; -- actual pixel height of the main display
viewDx = 0;
viewDy = 0;
aspect = 1.777777; -- =1680/1050
}
}
Shkval =
{
x = 3456; -- as the Shkval starts at the second half of the right monitor, this is 1024 (the phantom width) plus 1680 (the main view width) plus half of 1024 (halfway across the right monitor width)
y = 0;
width = 512; -- half of 1024, the secondary monitor width
height = 768/2; -- to keep the aspect correct, half the height of the secondary screen
}
ABRIS =
{
x = 2944; -- starts at the left of the secondary screen, so 1024 (the width of the phantom) plus 1680 (the width of the main screen)
y = 0;
width = 512; -- half the secondary screen pixel width
height = 768; -- full height of the secondary screen
}
/CODE]

hi Alphainfinity
I see a bunch of things wrong in your config , aspect , resolutions , at some place it looks like you added screen height instead of width to your calculations , try this ;

===========
[code]
{
["multiMonitorSetup"] = "test",
["color"] = "32",
["heatBlr"] = 1,
["scenes"] = "high",
["water"] = 2,
["fullScreen"] = false,
["visibRange"] = "High",
["aspect"] = 2.66,
["textures"] = 2,
["shadows"] = 2,
["display_mode"] =
{
["avi"] =
{
["bpp"] = 32,
["resolution"] = "640x480",
["full_screen"] = false,
["aspect"] = 1.333333333,
["height"] = 480,
["width"] = 640,
}, -- end of ["avi"]
}, -- end of ["display_mode"]
["effects"] = 3,
["lights"] = 2,
["haze"] = 1,
["terrPrld"] = "20",
["height"] = 1200,
["resolution"] = "3200x1200",
["civTraffic"] = 0,
["width"] = 4224,
}, -- end of ["graphics"]
} -- end of options
/CODE]

======================

P.S. I didn't look at your abris and shkval config yet , try it if it works now and tweak the other after .

if it doesn't look if it's going to work right , try having the 3 monitors at same res for sheets and giggles .

hope that helps

bigsarge · March 19, 2009

finally working

happy to report it's working good .Thanks Cypher1312 for your help .

working fps counter , working multiplayer menu screen , unable to take screenshots , avidll or some such error message .

here's my config for 2 monitors ,both at 1280x1024 cockpit on the left and shkval and abris on the right , a big shkval with good proportions and slightly smaller abris.

options.lua
===================
["graphics"] =
{
["multiMonitorSetup"] = "modified",
["color"] = "32",
["heatBlr"] = 1,
["scenes"] = "high",
["water"] = 2,
["fullScreen"] = false,
["visibRange"] = "High",
["aspect"] = 2.5,
["textures"] = 2,
["shadows"] = 3,
["display_mode"] =
{
["avi"] =
{
["bpp"] = 32,
["resolution"] = "640x480",
["full_screen"] = false,
["aspect"] = 1.333333333,
["height"] = 480,
["width"] = 640,
}, -- end of ["avi"]
}, -- end of ["display_mode"]
["effects"] = 3,
["lights"] = 2,
["haze"] = 1,
["terrPrld"] = "20",
["height"] = 1024,
["resolution"] = "2560x1024",
["civTraffic"] = 1,
["width"] = 2560,
}, -- end of ["graphics"]
} -- end of options
============================
modified.lua
============================
Description = 'modified'
Viewports =
{
Center =
{
x = 0;
y = 0;
width = 1280;
height = 1024;
viewDx = 0;
viewDy = 0;
aspect = 1.25;
}
}
Shkval =
{
x = 1280;
y = 325;
width = 700;
height = 780/2;
}
ABRIS =
{
x = 1980;
y = 0;
width = 580;
height = 800;
}
=========================

Got it to work with help from your post :thumbup:

thanks for your report

S77th-RYKE · March 19, 2009

Got it to work with help from your post :thumbup:
thanks for your report

cool !!

I'm glad I could help

hannibal · March 19, 2009

hey alpha..

its me hannibal.

listen, i was thinking about your config last night...

the height of the camera view 26" (1200) CAN NOT be higher than the shval+ABRIS view..

you have two options...

1) SEE IF the other montior @ 1280x1024 can scale at 1280x1200

2) USE lower resolution on the 26" in which the height is less than or equal to 1024

well try to get you tonight...

im going to be down for as im going to XP32bit from vista x64

whopps..

i see that you fixed it....

good job!

yO · March 20, 2009

yO!,

What are you trying to do with 3 monitors? Just extend the cockpit view? Or put Shkval/ABRIS on separate monitors?

yeah this is a good quest. (sry i forgot to mention that) ...

I was thinking about having half left monitor for shkval, and half right monitor on ABRIS, so the middle one, and two interior halfs of side screens are for the cockpit... if its too complicated let it be anything... (like left shkval, right ABRIS, center cockpit; or even better whole three for cockpit)

b.t.w. should i use the softTH for BS or not..., cuz on their site, in the compatibility list the BS isn't listed...

S77th-RYKE · March 20, 2009

yeah this is a good quest. (sry i forgot to mention that) ...
I was thinking about having half left monitor for shkval, and half right monitor on ABRIS, so the middle one, and two interior halfs of side screens are for the cockpit... if its too complicated let it be anything... (like left shkval, right ABRIS, center cockpit; or even better whole three for cockpit)
b.t.w. should i use the softTH for BS or not..., cuz on their site, in the compatibility list the BS isn't listed...

yeah many games not listed , but BS works fine in triple monitors with Softh 1.09b for me .

not sure if what you are suggesting could work though , probably not ...from what I understand ...

but you could far more easily send the Shkval and abris to a 4th monitor , I may do it myself but frankly , I have no place to put the 4th monitor .

yO · March 20, 2009

where do u have the 1.09b version from??? i have only some Japanese site while searching on google or others...

b.t.w. i have 1.08 and no idea how to make it work, --putting in executable Dir doesn't work pls help.

Edited March 20, 2009 by yO!
misspelled

bigsarge · March 20, 2009

Soft TH HELP for dummies

yeah many games not listed , but BS works fine in triple monitors with Softh 1.09b for me .

not sure if what you are suggesting could work though , probably not ...from what I understand ...

but you could far more easily send the Shkval and abris to a 4th monitor , I may do it myself but frankly , I have no place to put the 4th monitor .

While it was fun messing arounf for 4 hrs trying to get the 2nd monitor to work for the Abris and Shivl and after looking to purchase the Th2go I ran across the Soft TH website. I wish I had the mental capacity to understand the few details of the website but frankly i guess im just a dumb Grunt. I see that you got it to work and over here in Afghanistan I can get 3 Dell monitors in my office no problem. I already "aquired 2 :music_whistling:

Can you tell me what I need other than the 3 monitors and the SoftTH software to get this running.:helpsmilie: I know you are the right guy to ask because the only post I understood to get the current setup to work was yours. I apreciate guys like you that put their success stories and help out the community to get us dumb guys to get our stuff to work:pilotfly:

Cheers

S77th-RYKE · March 20, 2009

While it was fun messing arounf for 4 hrs trying to get the 2nd monitor to work for the Abris and Shivl and after looking to purchase the Th2go I ran across the Soft TH website. I wish I had the mental capacity to understand the few details of the website but frankly i guess im just a dumb Grunt. I see that you got it to work and over here in Afghanistan I can get 3 Dell monitors in my office no problem. I already "aquired 2 :music_whistling:
Can you tell me what I need other than the 3 monitors and the SoftTH software to get this running.:helpsmilie: I know you are the right guy to ask because the only post I understood to get the current setup to work was yours. I apreciate guys like you that put their success stories and help out the community to get us dumb guys to get our stuff to work:pilotfly:
Cheers

hhaha , thanks man , but not so fast on taking me off the "dumb" list ...

I don't really understand, I just test like a crazed rat in a lab till I see an image ...

side note , if we talk about triple monitor here , we are hijacking the phantom monitor thread

I will post a new thread with my softh config and we can start discussing it there as I'm sure a lot would be happy to see how easy it is to make it work .

I'll update with the link when it is done

edit ; here's the link ;
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=39577
damn I'm fast ;)

Edited March 20, 2009 by S77th-RYKE
added link

S77th-RYKE · March 20, 2009

where do u have the 1.09b version from??? i have only some Japanese site while searching on google or others...
b.t.w. i have 1.08 and no idea how to make it work, --putting in executable Dir doesn't work pls help.

it's the very fist post here ;

http://www.kegetys.net/forum/index.php?board=1.0

btw if kegetys ever makes it in here , a big thanks ..

edit ; here's a link ;
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=39577
hope it helps

Edited March 20, 2009 by S77th-RYKE
added link

AlphaInfinity · March 20, 2009

hey alpha..
its me hannibal.

listen, i was thinking about your config last night...

the height of the camera view 26" (1200) CAN NOT be higher than the shval+ABRIS view..

you have two options...

1) SEE IF the other montior @ 1280x1024 can scale at 1280x1200
2) USE lower resolution on the 26" in which the height is less than or equal to 1024

well try to get you tonight...
im going to be down for as im going to XP32bit from vista x64

whopps..

i see that you fixed it....

good job!

Thanks Hannibal,

I think I am going to hold off on this. The framerate hit is very high in windowed mode and I bought a 26inch monitor to play at the highest resolution possible. Hopefully they address some of this stuff in a patch because for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. :(

S77th-RYKE · March 20, 2009

Thanks Hannibal,

I think I am going to hold off on this. The framerate hit is very high in windowed mode and I bought a 26inch monitor to play at the highest resolution possible. Hopefully they address some of this stuff in a patch because for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. :(

with your machine , there's no reason you shouldn't get both eye candy and framerates ..

you probably already know this but you need

1-DCSMax

2-turn off hyperthreading

I got close to the same machine and it runs fine at 3840x1024

did that config I posted for you work ?

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