Can someone explain the behavior of RAID/FLIR FOV function with guns selected and target locked.

[maxTRX]

It seemed strange to me. When I pressed cage/uncage button, the locked target snapped to the center of DDI and it stayed there during my turn with the bar scan moving toward and past the gimbals. The lock was never broken and I was able to make a 360 turn, coming back on target... COOL, lol. The JHCMS showed the arrow throughout the turn. I'll do some more testing later just to make sure it wasn't a one time glitch. The track was incorrect  but I made a vid, might post it later.  Anyone seen this?   ST DCS.exe

Edit: It was RAID/FLIR FOV button not Uncage  (my old controls config file was active not the most recent :()

Edited April 28, 2023 by oldcrusty

[maxTRX]

I stumbled on this by accident when testing the gun director mode. The first few seconds of the vid show the final part of that test. 

 

[Temetre]

I think that means the F-18 has locked the Datalink target, which is being tracked by other radars? The 18 can do some nifty tricks with networking, but im not too familiar with it yet.

Additinally, when the F-18 loses a target, it can extrapolate the expected target position and try to keep track and reacquire it that way.

Whatever it was, I think the jump at 1:40 was when your radar got the target back.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Temetre

[maxTRX]

40 minutes ago, Temetre said:

I think that means the F-18 has locked the Datalink target, which is being tracked by other radars? The 18 can do some nifty tricks with networking, but im not too familiar with it yet.

Additinally, when the F-18 loses a target, it can extrapolate the expected target position and try to keep track and reacquire it that way.

Whatever it was, I think the jump at 1:40 was when your radar got the target back.

 

Nah... I don't think so. The jump around 1:40 was caused by me pressing 'cage/uncage' again. Actually, 'cage' button has a different function when the radar is in GACQ mode. Something to do with the funnel or sim mode... I think.

[Hulkbust44]

Cage/uncage here is toggling EXP for some reason. It's clearly bugged as OSB 20 has a blank box indicated where a boxed "EXP" would be. As far as I know, the only cage/uncage function with GACQ should be the toggling of the gun funnel. And that is not in the sim.

[Temetre]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb oldcrusty:

Nah... I don't think so. The jump around 1:40 was caused by me pressing 'cage/uncage' again. Actually, 'cage' button has a different function when the radar is in GACQ mode. Something to do with the funnel or sim mode... I think.

Oh I see now, thats really strange! Gotta look into this myself.

[maxTRX]

55 minutes ago, Temetre said:

Oh I see now, thats really strange! Gotta look into this myself.

I ran another quick test, this time w/o AWACS and Link16/Tacan powered down.  It does look like some sort of extrapolation and it lasts a few seconds. This also happens in other A/A radar modes. From what I understand, the track should be dropped past radar gimbal limits but what do I know  .

Extrapolation in a turning fight can actually be counterproductive. If you get transfixed on the TD box instead of gluing your eyes to the bandit, especially when the bandit is blending with terrain, after few seconds the TD box WILL be way off then... good luck getting a tally again. 

[Temetre]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb oldcrusty:

I ran another quick test, this time w/o AWACS and Link16/Tacan powered down.  It does look like some sort of extrapolation and it lasts a few seconds. This also happens in other A/A radar modes. From what I understand, the track should be dropped past radar gimbal limits but what do I know  .

Extrapolation in a turning fight can actually be counterproductive. If you get transfixed on the TD box instead of gluing your eyes to the bandit, especially when the bandit is blending with terrain, after few seconds the TD box WILL be way off then... good luck getting a tally again. 

I mean, as long as the symbol is indicating that its interpolating, then its not too bad necessarily? Gotta be aware what this means and what it doesnt^^

Looked at the manual, the only mention I found was specifically under the Aim 7 radar tracking:

Zitat

Target Designator (TD). This box/diamond indicates the line of sight between the aircraft and the
primary locked target. If the locked target is outside the HUD field of view, the TD box flashes. A “GO
STT” cue is displayed below the TD if the radar is not tracking the target in Single Track Target
mode.
If radar tracking on the target is lost, the TD box will be hashed to indicate the radar is in memory
(MEM) mode and extrapolating its position to reacquire it.
If the target is identified as hostile, the box is rotated 45° to create a diamond symbol and an inverted
“V” symbol is placed over the diamond.

 

[maxTRX]

19 minutes ago, Temetre said:

I mean, as long as the symbol is indicating that its interpolating, then its not too bad necessarily? Gotta be aware what this means and what it doesnt^^

Looked at the manual, the only mention I found was specifically under the Aim 7 radar tracking:

 

Sure thing, within radar's gimbal limits not just outside of HUD.  In my vid you can see the solid box when I peeked over my shoulder.  I think it's just another bug but if someone has some feed back from the devs or SME's...  anyone?

[maxTRX]

Slight correction:  It was 'RAID' button I was pressing not Uncage.  Somehow I had my older controls config file loaded instead of the new one, my bad.

The issue in question still stands...

[Harker]

Radar contribution to trackfiles should be removed within a few seconds, if they exit the gimbal limits. Additionally, MSI processing stops while you're in ACM modes (such as GACQ or BST), so the observed behavior here shouldn't be a thing.

[Temetre]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb Harker:

Radar contribution to trackfiles should be removed within a few seconds, if they exit the gimbal limits. Additionally, MSI processing stops while you're in ACM modes (such as GACQ or BST), so the observed behavior here shouldn't be a thing.

Yeah probably makes sense if it doesnt hold that long 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Temetre