Any chance for an AI G with STARMs and HARMs ?

[upyr1]

11 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Lol no. The G has a whole DC to daylight EW suite built into it, no F4E has anything even close to that. Even the F16 HTS was inferior in capability compared to what the G could do. 

 

That's why I think the F-4G might be too classified As ED isn't going to let us have a mod with an AI EWO then that would leave us with the G as an AI only bird and that would still require improvements to the EW model 

[Temetre]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Kalasnkova74:

Even including that.

The F-4Gs APR-47 was “sensor fusion” before the F-35 was a gleam on a Pentagon slide deck. Key difference in the -G is theres a trained human doing the “tactical filtering” of every signal in the battlespace vs a computer canned presentation. Even the F-35s sensor fusion isn’t as flexible, because you’re reliant on software to categorize the signals. 

I included the RWR with "EW gear".

The point was about compatability with the missile.

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Kalasnkova74:

Even including that.

The F-4Gs APR-47 was “sensor fusion” before the F-35 was a gleam on a Pentagon slide deck. Key difference in the -G is theres a trained human doing the “tactical filtering” of every signal in the battlespace vs a computer canned presentation. Even the F-35s sensor fusion isn’t as flexible, because you’re reliant on software to categorize the signals. 

I included the RWR with "EW gear".

The point was about compatability with the missile.

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Kalasnkova74:

Even including that.

The F-4Gs APR-47 was “sensor fusion” before the F-35 was a gleam on a Pentagon slide deck. Key difference in the -G is theres a trained human doing the “tactical filtering” of every signal in the battlespace vs a computer canned presentation. Even the F-35s sensor fusion isn’t as flexible, because you’re reliant on software to categorize the signals. 

I included the RWR with "EW gear".

The point was about compatability with the missile.

[DSplayer]

On 8/31/2023 at 5:48 PM, upyr1 said:

Actually, it might not be as fictional as you think If you take a look at this map showing the nations that used the STARM

 

There are 3 countries in blue. The US was the only nation to use the F-4G however all the nations used the F-4E. So did they fire STARMs from the E? If so what variants and how much do they differ from ours? 

 

I doubt the export of AGM-78s to Iran. I haven't found any sources that reliably indicate that happened with the closest being AGM-45As being exported to Iran before the majority of the order was cancelled after the 1979 revolution.

[upyr1]

5 hours ago, DSplayer said:

I doubt the export of AGM-78s to Iran. I haven't found any sources that reliably indicate that happened with the closest being AGM-45As being exported to Iran before the majority of the order was cancelled after the 1979 revolution.

I'm just going by Wikipedia they might be wrong, I have seen photos of a STARM on an Israeli Phantom Anyway It still doesn't change  my point that if there is an E that could use the STARM it would be nice to have that block 

[LanceCriminal86]

It's not an issue of "block", the foreign nations modified their jets for different capabilities. They went out and purchased or pulled hardware together, wired it into the jets, and used it. Where's the docs on how it was done? How it was controlled? What did the panels look like? For any of these export Phantoms you need to have the docs about HOW it was done for it to be implemented in some way, which then starts to beg the questions of "if you added X, what about Y from country Z"? Then they're down the rabbit hole of which exported jets to try and pursue, with everyone hurt that their particular jet wasn't done. At this point they've already said they are not rushing to do any other variants, there's already a lot on the plate.

[Harlikwin]

On 9/6/2023 at 8:40 AM, LanceCriminal86 said:

It's not an issue of "block", the foreign nations modified their jets for different capabilities. They went out and purchased or pulled hardware together, wired it into the jets, and used it. Where's the docs on how it was done? How it was controlled? What did the panels look like? For any of these export Phantoms you need to have the docs about HOW it was done for it to be implemented in some way, which then starts to beg the questions of "if you added X, what about Y from country Z"? Then they're down the rabbit hole of which exported jets to try and pursue, with everyone hurt that their particular jet wasn't done. At this point they've already said they are not rushing to do any other variants, there's already a lot on the plate.

I'm sure Iran or Israel will be happy to post all that stuff up here

On 9/4/2023 at 10:00 PM, upyr1 said:

I'm just going by Wikipedia they might be wrong, I have seen photos of a STARM on an Israeli Phantom Anyway It still doesn't change  my point that if there is an E that could use the STARM it would be nice to have that block 

Cooper talks about STARM use in his F4E book IIRC. In general Iran had the pick of the US inventory back in the day. 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Harlikwin

[Kalasnkova74]

On 10/5/2023 at 4:55 PM, Harlikwin said:

I'm sure Iran or Israel will be happy to post all that stuff up here

Cooper talks about STARM use in his F4E book IIRC. In general Iran had the pick of the US inventory back in the day. 

 

There’s another point here. Off the top of my head, we have the Israeli Kurnass, the Japanese F-4EJ Kai, Germany’s modernized Phantom II, the Turkish Terminator 2020, Greece’s AUP, and of course the US F-4G. 

Each of these variants could be a dedicated module.  Thus HBs dilemma- if they start accommodating requests, they’re gonna be in scope creep hell very quickly. If they put the Standard on a modded Israeli Kurnass, someone’s gonna ask where’s the Turkish Terminator model? And if the Turkish Terminator gets made, next comes the onslaught for asking the Greek AUP. Greek AUP drops and someone throws a fit because “where’s my F-4 EJ Kai?” 
 

I totally get people wanting certain models and missiles and other parts, but we should respect HBs eminently logical plan to develop the variants being released. Frankly, I’m glad we’re getting the F-4E in its analogue prime instead of an early block F-4C you can’t use or a modern F-4E slinging AMRAAMs. 

[Omega417]

15 hours ago, Kalasnkova74 said:

There’s another point here. Off the top of my head, we have the Israeli Kurnass, the Japanese F-4EJ Kai, Germany’s modernized Phantom II, the Turkish Terminator 2020, Greece’s AUP, and of course the US F-4G. 

Each of these variants could be a dedicated module.  

 

I'd like to think that the modding community would take care of those off the basic F-4E. Which would make HB starting with the F-4E the smartest choice they could have made. There will always be a moder  who thinks the AUP, terminator, or EJ was the coolest and is willing to spend hours to modify our F-4E. I would be nice if those community mods could be incorporated but not too much of a concern.

[RevampedGrunt]

1 hour ago, Omega417 said:

I'd like to think that the modding community would take care of those off the basic F-4E. Which would make HB starting with the F-4E the smartest choice they could have made. There will always be a moder  who thinks the AUP, terminator, or EJ was the coolest and is willing to spend hours to modify our F-4E. I would be nice if those community mods could be incorporated but not too much of a concern.

Take the IDF guys for example. There's a good chance that they would be willing to work on a Kurnass in whatever capacity they can.

[Omega417]

14 minutes ago, RevampedGrunt said:

Take the IDF guys for example. There's a good chance that they would be willing to work on a Kurnass in whatever capacity they can.

Exactly. I just hope mods like that make their way onto fun servers. We are so close to a full set of planes for a "war of attrition/Yom Kippur" scenario