Quest pro set up for 3090

[markturner1960]

Hi, I have some queries regarding this and started this thread to avoid cluttering the Pro /G2 thread. I had my G2 running superbly with open XR and want to make sure I get the best experience with the Pro. So…….

What is the best runtime to use? Reading various threads it looks like people are using open vr and open xr……

How best to launch the sim? Via a shortcut like I was doing with the G2? I want to use MT ( unless recommended not to…?)

Should I have the “enable VR headset” option checked in game? 
 

any 3090 users got some tips on optimum settings? Most threads with these discussed seem to involve a 4090…….which I may look at but for now I want to see what I can wring out of the 3090

 

many thanks

Edit: So, this morning, after a while spent reading various threads, I tried launching DCS again, via the old shortcut I used for the G2, with the   --force_enable_VR --force_OpenXR  text appended. DCS launched, but nothing in the headset and this time, no VR room, just a grey grid . i was unable to get the menus up for apps and settings etc....not sure whats going on, everytime I try and start, something diferent happens! It does launch DCS if I use the .exe shortcut in the mt bin folder, but I dont get the oculus home appearing.

 

I installed VR explorer, it says  xr create session error: reload with session enabled? Runtime is Oculus 1.86.0. It still says this when DCS runs via the .exe. 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2023 by markturner1960
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[speed-of-heat]

does it work via single thread?

[DirtyMike0330]

5 hours ago, markturner1960 said:

Hi, I have some queries regarding this and started this thread to avoid cluttering the Pro /G2 thread. I had my G2 running superbly with open XR and want to make sure I get the best experience with the Pro. So…….

What is the best runtime to use? Reading various threads it looks like people are using open vr and open xr……

How best to launch the sim? Via a shortcut like I was doing with the G2? I want to use MT ( unless recommended not to…?)

Should I have the “enable VR headset” option checked in game? 
 

any 3090 users got some tips on optimum settings? Most threads with these discussed seem to involve a 4090…….which I may look at but for now I want to see what I can wring out of the 3090

 

many thanks

Edit: So, this morning, after a while spent reading various threads, I tried launching DCS again, via the old shortcut I used for the G2, with the   --force_enable_VR --force_OpenXR  text appended. DCS launched, but nothing in the headset and this time, no VR room, just a grey grid . i was unable to get the menus up for apps and settings etc....not sure whats going on, everytime I try and start, something diferent happens! It does launch DCS if I use the .exe shortcut in the mt bin folder, but I dont get the oculus home appearing.

 

I installed VR explorer, it says  xr create session error: reload with session enabled? Runtime is Oculus 1.86.0. It still says this when DCS runs via the .exe. 

 

 

 

Just for your reference: my desktop shortcut for DCS MT has no arguments in it and I just have the enable VR option checked in game. It launches in VR without any issue with the QP. 

 

My order of operations: 

1. Turn on QP

2. Settings > System > Turn on Quest Link

3. At this point, I can either:

     a. look at my monitor and turn on my apps (Vaicom, NeckSafer, etc) and then double click the DCS shortcut to start the game in VR

     b. If I turn on one of the controllers, I can click the DESKTOP button from the quest link screen inside the headset and access the virtual desktop, in which case I will just use my mouse for everything in the headset. I then power off the controller before I launch the game. 

Edited June 1, 2023 by DirtyMike0330

[markturner1960]

Sorry Mike, this is really helpful, but  in my windows settings, there is nothing referencing quest link? I have display, sound, notifications, focus assist, power & sleep, Storage, Tablet, Multitasking, Projecting to this PC, Shared experiences, Clipboard, Remote desktop......

If I put on the headset, I get the VR home room, with a window asking if I want to enable quest link. If I choose yes, the home is replaced by the grey grid and I cant access any menus etc using the controllers...is this how it should be? 

DCS only seems to launch when I use the old shortcut with the force openXR line appended to it. If I use a shortcut to teh .exe, it starts DCS, but not in VR....

When I turned DCS off, I get a black screen on my monitor, in the tool tray there are 3 windows open showing oculus mirror. If I turn these off using the X in top corner, the main desktop screen becomes visible again.....

I dont really understand whats going on.....the battery seems to be running down in the headset, so maybe some issue with the quest link? How can I check if quest link is correctly installed? It does not appear in the apps on the start menu.....

Finally, I have read so many threads and so many discussions on the settings, I think I have fried my brain...I cant decide what is the best setting from what people are saying....

Edited June 1, 2023 by markturner1960

[DirtyMike0330]

48 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

Sorry Mike, this is really helpful, but  in my windows settings, there is nothing referencing quest link? I have display, sound, notifications, focus assist, power & sleep, Storage, Tablet, Multitasking, Projecting to this PC, Shared experiences, Clipboard, Remote desktop......

If I put on the headset, I get the VR home room, with a window asking if I want to enable quest link. If I choose yes, the home is replaced by the grey grid and I cant access any menus etc using the controllers...is this how it should be? 

DCS only seems to launch when I use the old shortcut with the force openXR line appended to it. If I use a shortcut to teh .exe, it starts DCS, but not in VR....

When i turned DCS off, I get a black screen on my monitor, in the tool tray there are 3 windows open showing oculus mirror. If I turn these off using the X in top corner, the main desktop screen becomes visible again.....

I dont really understand whats going on.....the barrery seems to be running down in the headset, so maybe some issue with the quest link? 

 

Yup, I was referring to getting to the grey grid when I mentioned system settings, so disregard that part

In that grey grid, you should absolutely be able to click one of the icons on the bottom that says DESKTOP with your controller. Just to confirm, did you pair your controllers during the initial setup and can use them prior to turning on quest link? 

I'm going to answer you in the other thread as well, but are you saying you turned on Demo mode? Like, you hit the start button on that? I have never used that function, but if I had to make a wild guess, if you turned it on it could be limiting your options, which would explain why you don't see any other options underneath it. If it is on, turn it off and see what happens. That could also be causing your other issues with apps not launching in VR. 

When you can click things in the grey grid area, there is an additional settings menu there that you can use to I believe turn off any extra mirrors. I'll post my Oculus Home settings here again. By the way, when you did the initial Oculus setup, did you decide to leave all your WMR stuff or do a clean setup?nullnull

[markturner1960]

Thanks, I am letting the headset charge up ( I got the link cable to make sure it did not run down, so am confused as to how it has run down to 16% after only around 3 hours use today and all the while plugged in via the cable) The cable test ran OK during set up, so there should not be any issues there...? so will try and answer quickly for now:

OK, I did not uninstall WMR as I wanted to assess the QP before I decided to keep or not. Whatever happens, though, I am decided to switch to the QP, its too good! So will uninstall now. Do you think maybe I should start from scratch again after uninstalling the WMR <profanity>? 

Dont remeber pairing the controllers, defintely the headset. But the controllers work OK. However I dont see any menu in the grey grid. 

You are being super helpful, cant thank you and everyone else who is answering enough! Going to pop out now while the headset charges for 30 minutes or so and get back into this then. 

[DirtyMike0330]

1 hour ago, markturner1960 said:

I dont really understand whats going on.....the battery seems to be running down in the headset, so maybe some issue with the quest link? How can I check if quest link is correctly installed? It does not appear in the apps on the start menu.....

Finally, I have read so many threads and so many discussions on the settings, I think I have fried my brain...I cant decide what is the best setting from what people are saying....

Honestly, all I did was follow the exact settings in the first link I reference in my review post and not tinker with it after that. Those settings worked for me without any issues. I think even with a 3090 you can push those. Maybe just don't do the 1.15 in OTT/ODT but everything else should be fine. You can adjust the render down from 1.3 to 1.0 if needed, but leave the 90hz refresh rate because you can def run IL2 at 90fps, you'll just have to use ASW for DCS and MSFS, it is basically unavoidable unless you love stuttery scenery lol

 

The link cable is not sufficient to keep your QP charged, you will need this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BS9C9RBZ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

My QP has not dipped below 90% using that, regardless of how many hours I am flying.

 

Just now, markturner1960 said:

Thanks, I am letting the headset charge up ( I got the link cable to make sure it did not run down, so am confused as to how it has run down to 16% after only around 3 hours use today and all the while plugged in via the cable) The cable test ran OK during set up, so there should not be any issues there...? so will try and answer quickly for now:

OK, I did not uninstall WMR as I wanted to assess the QP before I decided to keep or not. Whatever happens, though, I am decided to switch to the QP, its too good! So will uninstall now. Do you think maybe I should start from scratch again after uninstalling the WMR <profanity>? 

Dont remeber pairing the controllers, defintely the headset. But the controllers work OK. However I dont see any menu in the grey grid. 

You are being super helpful, cant thank you and everyone else who is answering enough! Going to pop out now while the headset charges for 30 minutes or so and get back into this then. 

No problem, you'll get it sorted out! Make sure at least one of the controllers is on for starters and yeah, when you select enable quest link from the headset and that grey thing pops up, you should definitely be seeing big buttons on the bottom of that. I still think demo mode might be playing a part in this, if that is something you clicked "start" on or activated. 

I think if you just uninstall anything related to WMR from the Windows Store and from Steam, that will probably be sufficient. As a nuclear option, if you get fed up, uninstall absolutely everything, including the Oculus software, do a factory reset on the headset, and then just start clean, with some form of those settings I posted above.  Good luck!

[markturner1960]

OK, I have uninstalled WMRP and mixed reality for steamVR. I also removed the hand controllers, to re pair. However, they did not show in the device list to re pair? They just seemed to pair automatically. Did you have to pair yours like the headset? They work though so I guess thats all that matters. 

Cant believe there is no instructions from Meta regarding all this, you get sent the complex expensive device and are basically just expected to figure it all out yourself....not impressed! 

For example, there is a power button on the headset....so when and how should this be used? 

Anyway, I have managed to get it starting in the same way fairly reliably. When I put on the headset, I am in the VR home. The controllers let me click on the menu bar to turn on quest link, the room dissapears and I am in the grid, from there I can pick DCS from the left hand window of recent apps to run again. This works well now. No idea why I could not get it going before!

That leaves the tweaking. I am after the best possible image at the lowest acceptable frame rate. I have put ASW on auto, set 72hz and 1.3% IE all the way to the right on resolution and 1.15 in OTT and it seems to run at 36 FPS pretty nicely, very smooth and teh resolution is insane....never knew DCS could look this good......

But there is bad.......how can I stop the really annoying messages about light levels for controller tracking etc popping up? They seem persistent as well, and are not opaque so they obscure stuff in the cockpit.....

Also, it does seem a little flaky..a few times, it has frozen on me and I have had to kill DCS with task manager - usually when I remove teh headset to look at something, then there can be issues....

Thanks again for the help!

 

 

[DirtyMike0330]

55 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

OK, I have uninstalled WMRP and mixed reality for steamVR. I also removed the hand controllers, to re pair. However, they did not show in the device list to re pair? They just seemed to pair automatically. Did you have to pair yours like the headset? They work though so I guess thats all that matters. 

Cant believe there is no instructions from Meta regarding all this, you get sent the complex expensive device and are basically just expected to figure it all out yourself....not impressed! 

For example, there is a power button on the headset....so when and how should this be used? 

Anyway, I have managed to get it starting in the same way fairly reliably. When I put on the headset, I am in the VR home. The controllers let me click on the menu bar to turn on quest link, the room dissapears and I am in the grid, from there I can pick DCS from the left hand window of recent apps to run again. This works well now. No idea why I could not get it going before!

That leaves the tweaking. I am after the best possible image at the lowest acceptable frame rate. I have put ASW on auto, set 72hz and 1.3% IE all the way to the right on resolution and 1.15 in OTT and it seems to run at 36 FPS pretty nicely, very smooth and teh resolution is insane....never knew DCS could look this good......

But there is bad.......how can I stop the really annoying messages about light levels for controller tracking etc popping up? They seem persistent as well, and are not opaque so they obscure stuff in the cockpit.....

Also, it does seem a little flaky..a few times, it has frozen on me and I have had to kill DCS with task manager - usually when I remove teh headset to look at something, then there can be issues....

Thanks again for the help!

 

 

Instead of clicking the DCS app on the left, do you see a button on the bottom that says DESKTOP? If so, click that and you should be on your desktop. Once you're there, use your mouse to open up whatever apps you need. Then, long press the controller to turn it off. You'll get a big pop-up on the bottom of the screen that says controller not connected and it will be persistent. This is fine. Then, as your last step, start DCS from your desktop. You should have no controller-related popup messages going this route. 

As far as settings, I don't have experience with the 72hz range of anything. What I would try, in your case with a 3090, is 90hz, slider full right to 1.3 or 1.5, whatever the max is. In OTT, leave the 1.15 at 0, since you're already super sampling a bit in the aforementioned 90hz slider area. I like to set the ASW to 45 ASW as opposed to auto, because with auto there is a delay and jerk transition, and it is unlikely that I am hitting any sustained high FPS at any time in multiplayer or busy single player play. But a solid 45 should be doable with this configuration for you. 

You can short press the power button to put the headset in standby and short press to turn it back on. Long pressing it gives you the options to power down or restart (I use it for powering down the QP). 

[markturner1960]

I will try at 90 hz….my initial take on that in my test mission was that there was some jerkiness, but that may have been tied to the auto setting for the ASW….thanks

[markturner1960]

OK, so my next question relates to the openXR performance toolkit..... there are some things in there which it says dont play nice with ASW, so turned them off......

Whats peoples thouights on the various other settings in there? Such as resolution overide, sharpening etc? Currently, I have everything prertty much turned off.....

@mike, will this do the same job as your linked charger hub? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Minisopuru-Hub-USB-Adaptateur-Ordinateur-Grey/dp/B0BGHVQNCH/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=miniso%2Bpuru&qid=1685692090&sr=8-4&th=1

I cant find your exact model on amazon uk

Edited June 2, 2023 by markturner1960

[DirtyMike0330]

3 hours ago, markturner1960 said:

OK, so my next question relates to the openXR performance toolkit..... there are some things in there which it says dont play nice with ASW, so turned them off......

Whats peoples thouights on the various other settings in there? Such as resolution overide, sharpening etc? Currently, I have everything prertty much turned off.....

@mike, will this do the same job as your linked charger hub? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Minisopuru-Hub-USB-Adaptateur-Ordinateur-Grey/dp/B0BGHVQNCH/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=miniso%2Bpuru&qid=1685692090&sr=8-4&th=1

I cant find your exact model on amazon uk

 

I mostly just use the toolkit to check fps/cpu/gpu stats, but I'm sure some other folks will be able to help out with that one. It does have a nice sunglasses feature that I will toggle on in certain environments or time of day. I also use CAS sharpening in DCS (I think I am at like 70% right now) but it is pretty subjective on what you'll like the look of. I think it has more usage when trying to eek all the performance/quality out of MSFS, but I don't fly that often enough to provide any setting suggestions.

The hub you're looking at is from the same manufacturer and does seem to have the single usb-c connection at the end that shares the data + charging functionality, so my guess is that it would likely work. Worst case, if it doesn't work for some reason, you can try https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kuject-Separate-Charging-Ultra-Durable-Accessories/dp/B09TN25765/ref=sr_1_2?crid=6E0C1YWW1E9O&keywords=kuject+quest+pro&qid=1685702971&sprefix=kuject+quest+pro%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-2 as a second option. It seems to work for some folks, I personally didn't have the best experience with it and the hub option is cheaper, less bulky, and is providing the charging directly to your QP, as opposed to the cable system. 

Glad you're making progress with the headset! 

[skywalker22]

I have EVGA 3080Ti, Intel i7 10700K and MSI Z490 Gaming Edge motherboard, and I am having 10 fps with yesterday's bought Quest Pro!! WTF??? 10 fps in main menu of DCS!!!

Previously I had (still have actually) Reverb G2, and fps were in 60-90 range at all times! What is going on with this crap of Meta?

I tried everything, even went to buy a new 20Gbps USB-C cable (for additional 20€), and nothing - still 10fps!

Windows Oculus app says the connection is established successfully with Quest Pro at cca 2Gbps of bandwidth, so this is OK.

GPU does not ever start working at 10fps (temps are at 60degC). So GPU is not doing anything. There must be some bottleneck, but what? 

USB-C connector on motherboard is capable of 20Gbps, cable as well. I am sure there is some issue here, connection between GPU, motherboard, cable and VR. But what, is now the question for M$. Any tips, anyone experienced that as well?

Edited June 3, 2023 by skywalker22

[nikoel]

2 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

I tried everything, even went to buy a new 20Gbps USB-C cable (for additional 20€), and nothing - still 10fps!

lol 

Have a look at how much Meta charges for the proper cable.

I’m infinitely impressed by the human ability to spend enormous amounts of money and then cheap out on a related product which completely renders the initial investment useless 

ECU & Turbo upgrades with Cheap Tyres

Expensive Suits and the scent of Lynx Africa

$5000 couches with plastic protective wrap 

Quest Pro and an “Expensive 20€ USBC Cable” 

Edited June 3, 2023 by nikoel

[Tepnox]

2 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

I have EVGA 3080Ti, Intel i7 10700K and MSI Z490 Gaming Edge motherboard, and I am having 10 fps with yesterday's bought Quest Pro!! WTF??? 10 fps in main menu of DCS!!!

Previously I had (still have actually) Reverb G2, and fps were in 60-90 range at all times! What is going on with this crap of Meta?

I tried everything, even went to buy a new 20Gbps USB-C cable (for additional 20€), and nothing - still 10fps!

Windows Oculus app says the connection is established successfully with Quest Pro at cca 2Gbps of bandwidth, so this is OK.

GPU does not ever start working at 10fps (temps are at 60degC). So GPU is not doing anything. There must be some bottleneck, but what? 

USB-C connector on motherboard is capable of 20Gbps, cable as well. I am sure there is some issue here, connection between GPU, motherboard, cable and VR. But what, is now the question for M$. Any tips, anyone experienced that as well?

 

Do you play other VR titles with the Quest Pro that you could test (via Oculus or Steam VR)? Is the behavior with 10 FPS the same there? There are too many unknown factors about your system.

Try following these steps in one of my post for Quest Pro setup and try to figure out if there could be a misconfiguration on your end:

 

 

[skywalker22]

22 minutes ago, nikoel said:

lol 

Have a look at how much Meta charges for the proper cable.

I’m infinitely impressed by the human ability to spend enormous amounts of money and then cheap out on a related product which completely renders the initial investment useless 

1st of all, I got the Quest Pro yesterday, and today I wanted to tried it out if it works, that's why I went and bought this 20Gbps cable (the only one that I could get actually near around here), since no way I will get that original cable from Meta in any time short. But I will buy it if needed, of course.

[skywalker22]

52 minutes ago, Tepnox said:

Do you play other VR titles with the Quest Pro that you could test (via Oculus or Steam VR)? Is the behavior with 10 FPS the same there? T

I tried Assetto Corsa and Assetto Corsa Competizione, the same thing, stutters as hell. Even less then 10fps. 

Is it really possible that is the fault in the cable?

Although I got this message when I do the USB test in Oculus app.

[some1]

I don't think so, 1.6Gbps is plenty fast, given that the device itself can't decode signal at that speeds.

You can try a different cable or pc port, even usb 2.0 should work although at reduced bandwidth. You don't need 20gbs cable, in fact the original cable from meta is still 5gbps.

[skywalker22]

7 minutes ago, some1 said:

I don't think so, 1.6Gbps is plenty fast, given that the device itself can't decode signal at that speeds.

You can try a different cable or pc port, even usb 2.0 should work although at reduced bandwidth. You don't need 20gbs cable, in fact the original cable from meta is still 5gbps.

The original cable I got inside the box was USB-C to USB-C, but was Oculus app did not recognize the headset, that's why I went and bought a new one, which seems to be fine. I just have 10fps in each game I start. The point being, When in DCS, GPU does not even starts working as it should (all temps are 55-60degC all the time), so it means there is some other thing which is a bottleneck in the chain. Something it holding my whole system (which is not bad by any means) back, so it cannot run as it should.

[nikoel]

I’ll save you the suffering

In OpenXR Toolkit see if you have a FPS Cap Active. From memory 10FPS is the lowest. It’s easy to tell as it’s the first screen you’re presented with inside the settings (which only shows up inside VR)

Do a reset of the toolkit either way as sometimes we have seen some settings hang

Edited June 3, 2023 by nikoel

[skywalker22]

Damn, I accidently found out what was wrong. In MSI Afterburner, I use some custom curves and parameters for my GPU. And from me to unknown reason, the Power Limit has been set to 20%! Usually I have it on 80% (called undervolting, gpu works better, cooler and more quietly, with the same performance). And this was the reason for my 10 fps. Thank you guys for all your help and time, I will not sell my Quest pro (yet)

Edited June 3, 2023 by skywalker22

[some1]

1 hour ago, skywalker22 said:

The original cable I got inside the box was USB-C to USB-C, but was Oculus app did not recognize the headset

I was talking about the original link cable accessory that meta sells for 100 bucks. The one included with the headset is not a data cable, it only carries power.

Great that you've found the culprit. 

[skywalker22]

28 minutes ago, some1 said:

I was talking about the original link cable accessory that meta sells for 100 bucks. The one included with the headset is not a data cable, it only carries power.

Great that you've found the culprit. 

Ok, but it seems that even a cable for 20 bucks is good enough

I checked the wiring (pins connection), and its exactly the same.

[Tepnox]

2 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

Damn, I accidently found out what was wrong. In MSI Afterburner, I use some custom curves and parameters for my GPU. And from me to unknown reason, the Power Limit has been set to 20%! Usually I have it on 80% (called undervolting, gpu works better, cooler and more quietly, with the same performance). And this was the reason for my 10 fps. Thank you guys for all your help and time, I will not sell my Quest pro (yet)

 

Haha - told you. Some misconfiguration on your end. But this is really something ;D Have fun tinkering around with DCS but hopefully with 100% power limit in the future . Cheers mate!

Limiting the power limit is not really undervolting. Try some custom voltage curves with MSI Afterburner. The goal of undervolting should be to get nearly exactly the same FPS-results but with lower core voltage and therefore lower temperatures. This depends on the GPU silicone and can vary alot.

My old Gigabyte 3080Ti did run perfectly with 750mV @ 1665 Mhz with 280 W around 75° C max.

Stock settings had around the same Mhz but did run with 850mV, over 355 W and therefore 10 °C hotter.

Edited June 3, 2023 by Tepnox

[skywalker22]

1 hour ago, Tepnox said:

Haha - told you. Some misconfiguration on your end. But this is really something ;D Have fun tinkering around with DCS but hopefully with 100% power limit in the future . Cheers mate!

Limiting the power limit is not really undervolting. Try some custom voltage curves with MSI Afterburner. The goal of undervolting should be to get nearly exactly the same FPS-results but with lower core voltage and therefore lower temperatures. This depends on the GPU silicone and can vary alot.

My old Gigabyte 3080Ti did run perfectly with 750mV @ 1665 Mhz with 280 W around 75° C max.

Stock settings had around the same Mhz but did run with 850mV, over 355 W and therefore 10 °C hotter.

 

I didn't explain my self well, not at least to the end, this is what I use for the undervoltage:

You had gone that low, to 750mV? Really? Or it has been more like 1,750mV?