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[dresoccer4]

In DCS there are 8 versions of the Mirage F1. Is there a document somewhere showing the difference between all 8 version specifically in DCS?

[Loukuins]

On 6/9/2023 at 4:19 AM, dresoccer4 said:

In DCS there are 8 versions of the Mirage F1. Is there a document somewhere showing the difference between all 8 version specifically in DCS?

Wdym ? It's mostly like that on the versions :

F1CX is "Chasse" variant from the 70s, pretty much close to each others just like the CE we can fly.

F1EX is modern export variant from the 80s (except the EE) who has Mirage 2000 like hud and CCIP bomb, and INS (and TGP, Exocet and AS-30L on the EQ-5/6).

F1CR/CT are like E but with recon specificity on the CR (80s) and CT are C-200 upgraded with a laser under the nose. 

F1BX are dual seat variant for training most of them are similar to a C variant from the 70s (No hud).

F1AX variant are bomber variant without a Cyrano IV radar, from the 70s, there isn't much info since it's a pretty basic plane.

F1M is the Spanish upgraded variant made with Thomson-CSF, you have a HUD who is a mix of a Mirage 2000 and F/A-18 hornet in term of symbology, CCIP CCRP and MFD in the cockpit with better RWR with better antenna.

F1EE is kinda an exception, it has C avionics (No HUD) with a very basic INS and a fuel probe, only a very few of them got the upgraded RWR in the late 90s.

 

in dcs only the emport changes and that's all.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Loukuins

[dresoccer4]

9 hours ago, Loukuins said:

Wdym ? It's mostly like that on the versions :

F1CX is "Chasse" variant from the 70s, pretty much close to each others just like the CE we can fly.

F1EX is modern export variant from the 80s (except the EE) who has Mirage 2000 like hud and CCIP bomb, and INS (and TGP, Exocet and AS-30L on the EQ-5/6).

F1CR/CT are like E but with recon specificity on the CR (80s) and CT are C-200 upgraded with a laser under the nose. 

F1BX are dual seat variant for training most of them are similar to a C variant from the 70s (No hud).

F1AX variant are bomber variant without a Cyrano IV radar, from the 70s, there isn't much info since it's a pretty basic plane.

F1M is the Spanish upgraded variant made with Thomson-CSF, you have a HUD who is a mix of a Mirage 2000 and F/A-18 hornet in term of symbology, CCIP CCRP and MFD in the cockpit with better RWR with better antenna.

F1EE is kinda an exception, it has C avionics (No HUD) with a very basic INS and a fuel probe, only a very few of them got the upgraded RWR in the late 90s.

 

in dcs only the emport changes and that's all.

 

thanks for the details, mate. good info. but also I was specifically looking for if there are any differences between all of these 8 versions within DCS. I know of the differences between the 2 flyable models, but, for example, you said "the F1M is the Spanish upgraded variant made with Thomson-CSF". But is this different than the other models in DCS? Does this model behave differently than, say, the F1CR in DCS?

[Iron Sights]

I think Loukuins covered the variants pretty good, but I’ll try to clarify a bit more. I’m no expert here and it’s been a while, but we get 4 variants. The F1CE, which the first one they released. The F1EE, which is a bit more enhanced. It has a better RWR, refueling probe and a much improved INS system, which allows waypoints. A newer missile, 530F I believe. Those two are out right now. Next will be the F1BE two seat trainer version, which may be only just that, without any upgrades to the avionics, just a backseat. Not sure. Finally you will get the F1M, a more modern hud, the addition of a MFD and maybe more. Not sure if any other weapons will be added, but last version will get you closer to a Mirage 2000 type aircraft. I know it’s not perfect, but maybe it will help. I’m sure I missed some details, but doing my best.

[Loukuins]

10 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

thanks for the details, mate. good info. but also I was specifically looking for if there are any differences between all of these 8 versions within DCS. I know of the differences between the 2 flyable models, but, for example, you said "the F1M is the Spanish upgraded variant made with Thomson-CSF". But is this different than the other models in DCS? Does this model behave differently than, say, the F1CR in DCS?

Yes it's different but the AI willl behave the same since the radar is the same, and the engine too, it's more an avionics difference that for AI won't change much, on the player's hand it will change a lot since you will have a cockpit from the 2000s with some modern stuff, weapon wise it's pretty much the same as well. (I'm talking about the F1M).

The EE add only barax and phimax pods compared to the CE, the EE is basically a CE with a fuel probe and a VERY basic INS, the EE is the most unusual version since it's a very late version with almost no upgrade and not the PCAM and the HUD that every other EX variant had. 

But the AI will behave the same, you can only expect the M to make a big difference in DCS itself.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Loukuins

[dresoccer4]

6 hours ago, Loukuins said:

Yes it's different but the AI willl behave the same since the radar is the same, and the engine too, it's more an avionics difference that for AI won't change much, on the player's hand it will change a lot since you will have a cockpit from the 2000s with some modern stuff, weapon wise it's pretty much the same as well. (I'm talking about the F1M).

The EE add only barax and phimax pods compared to the CE, the EE is basically a CE with a fuel probe and a VERY basic INS, the EE is the most unusual version since it's a very late version with almost no upgrade and not the PCAM and the HUD that every other EX variant had. 

But the AI will behave the same, you can only expect the M to make a big difference in DCS itself.

 

gotcha, that's what I was wondering. There are 8 models in DCS, but only 2 flyable. So the other 6 AI-only are essentially the same.

[fausete]

@dresoccer4 the main difference of the AI airplanes is the payloads they can carry.

[dresoccer4]

On 6/18/2023 at 12:13 PM, fausete said:

@dresoccer4 the main difference of the AI airplanes is the payloads they can carry.

ah, there's the info I was looking for, thanks. When setting up my missions in the ME I was confunsed by all the AI versions and what they brought to the sim. Was looking for visual differences, but now we know it's payload differences. 

[Loukuins]

55 minutes ago, dresoccer4 said:

ah, there's the info I was looking for, thanks. When setting up my missions in the ME I was confunsed by all the AI versions and what they brought to the sim. Was looking for visual differences, but now we know it's payload differences. 

There is visual differences but they are only cosmetics they do not change anything