Apache wont hold my hover

[Amarok_73]

On 8/4/2023 at 1:44 PM, Raptor9 said:

If Attitude Hold is enabled (in any submode), the hold mode will only engage when the cyclic is within 0.25 inch (0.635 cm) of the force trim reference position, which translates to 2.5% of axis movement in DCS. If the cyclic is beyond this position or if the force trim release is being pressed, Attitude Hold won't engage. In other words, it may be enabled, but it isn't actually trying to hold anything because you are telling the FMC you want to fly it yourself.

@Picure I will take this opportunity to emphasize what has already been said in another thread, but apparently it did not make any impression on the people responsible for the development of this module: In the case of the Logitech G940, due to the specificity of its construction and the resulting play of the joystick in the vicinity of the center , the limits set by the developers are definitely too small and unrealistic to maintain. Therefore, I still have the illusion that developers are considering the possibility of parameterizing these limits using special options.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Amarok_73

[Amarok_73]

Hey @Raptor9,

I would like to politely ask if the minority using FFBs and lower priced joysticks and struggling with the problem of playing too much around center of force interaction can count on the devs to look kindly at this problem and try to solve it by providing an option to reduce SCAS sensitivity to joystick movements in around the middle of the trim? Many friends who have this module complain that these 2.5%, especially with such short joysticks, which we fly, is too small a margin to be considered sufficient for comfortable piloting of Apache and, consequently, consider that this topic can be closed .
The second problem that FFB users still face is that with such joysticks you can't apply curvature or dead zone to any axes as the forces are still linear so it also raises the question if this issue is still on the developer list whether or not they don't bother with it?

[Raptor9]

4 hours ago, Amarok_73 said:

I would like to politely ask if the minority using FFBs and lower priced joysticks and struggling with the problem of playing too much around center of force interaction can count on the devs to look kindly at this problem and try to solve it by providing an option to reduce SCAS sensitivity to joystick movements in around the middle of the trim? Many friends who have this module complain that these 2.5%, especially with such short joysticks, which we fly, is too small a margin to be considered sufficient for comfortable piloting of Apache and, consequently, consider that this topic can be closed .

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, this has been requested internally, but don't have any more news to share on the topic unfortunately.

4 hours ago, Amarok_73 said:

The second problem that FFB users still face is that with such joysticks you can't apply curvature or dead zone to any axes as the forces are still linear so it also raises the question if this issue is still on the developer list whether or not they don't bother with it?

That is probably a good wishlist item for the main DCS World section, since that affects the core DCS World interface and logic. I can't speak to this because I am neither a dev nor an owner of a FFB stick, so I don't know the in's and out's of it all.

[Amarok_73]

I've just tested my joystick with DIView and with forces set to usual settings, the acceptable size of "area" covered by SCAS would be around 8% per side of X and Y axis, while if forces are set to maximum values, this area narrows down to about 4-5% per side, but at this forces setting the operating with the joystick becomes quite exhausting, while the wear of mechanism that it is based on plastic gears, not drive belts probably increases significantly.
So with current limits fixed on 2.5%, for me holding the Apache in hover means constant work on the joystick and observation of the controls indicator instead of situation around us and help with spotting the targets for my CP/G.

[pii]

On 8/3/2023 at 2:07 PM, martinistripes said:

both altitude and attitude hold are not effective enough to allow you to take your hands off the stick for more than a few seconds.

I rarely even use them now. 

[Amarok_73]

For me it's beyond of the dreams taking hands off the HOTAS and eyes off the IHADSS reference bullets to do something more complex using avionics, such as typing in a new way point with the keyboard unit. To do something like that I have first to put the heli into more or less stable flight, then try to do it as quick as I can hoping that heli will not ditch in meantime.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Amarok_73

[McGraw]

I'm getting better at hovering but I'm glad I've got a VKB gunfighter otherwise I'd be forever wondering whether it was me or the gear. Put someone in the back seat and you learn faster. I have had big trouble flying and hovering recently but slowly getting there.

[Floyd1212]

4 hours ago, pii said:

I rarely even use them now.

I can see how this might make sense if you are in the front seat and George is holding the hover for you in the back seat, but if you are in the back seat, and you need to take your hands off the cyclic, hold modes are the only way to go.

[pii]

15 hours ago, Floyd1212 said:

I can see how this might make sense if you are in the front seat and George is holding the hover for you in the back seat, but if you are in the back seat, and you need to take your hands off the cyclic, hold modes are the only way to go.

Obviously, but for now I still rarely use them, maybe someday when they're fixed, and Frankly, I don't have to take my hand off the controls that often.

[Amarok_73]

1 hour ago, pii said:

I don't have to take my hand off the controls that often.

Unfortunately, most of my live CP/Gs are lazy bastards, so if I want to have anything done well, I have to do it myself.

[pii]

1 hour ago, Amarok_73 said:

Unfortunately, most of my live CP/Gs are lazy bastards, so if I want to have anything done well, I have to do it myself.

Mine also so I just sit in the back seat and wait.....