DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 2, 2023 Posted August 2, 2023 I watch this time and time again for Gazzele. Especcially Lima with gunspods. 2 2
kotor633 Posted August 3, 2023 Posted August 3, 2023 Hi, A really informative video, I'll definitely save it in my favorites. Thanks for posting. However, I maintain that these tactics can generally be applied very well to all helicopter modules. 1 ************************************** DCS World needs the Panavia Tornado! Really! **************************************
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 3, 2023 Author Posted August 3, 2023 I tried side slide to side flare stop in KA-50III. Like a hockey player and skier stop. Two out of three times Kamov's blades stall and helicopter goes into severe vortex ring state. UH-1H mast bumps in 1/3 attempts. In my hands , Gazelle at high speed, struggles to yaw that much , as shown in video. Even at moderate forward speed with full pedals to right or left, fenestron lacks power to yaw the fuselage broadside to the wind. Then Gazelle encounters strong pendulum swing that takes far too long to neutralize, exposing me to ground fire. But rotors keep turning producing lift. So I suppouse these extreme tactical maneuvers need a practiced hand.
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 3, 2023 Author Posted August 3, 2023 These ARH tactics turn helicopter into ground effect vehicle operated by infantrymen with flight wings. Sneaking around , flying inside ditches, between trees. Hopping from treeline to treeline. Video was obvious that the intended terrain was Central Germany and Western Europe. Most applicable to Normandy and Chanell maps. 1
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 3, 2023 Author Posted August 3, 2023 Sneaking around folds of earth, like field rats. Flying field rats. Flying Field Rats. Now there is a patch mascot for a ARH Aviation Co. or Rec. light helicopter squadron. A muscular snarling rat holding a gunpod in one hand, rocket or anti-tank missile in other, and camera mast ball on its head. 1
MAXsenna Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 I tried side slide to side flare stop in KA-50III. Like a hockey player and skier stop. Two out of three times Kamov's blades stall and helicopter goes into severe vortex ring state. UH-1H mast bumps in 1/3 attempts. In my hands , Gazelle at high speed, struggles to yaw that much , as shown in video. Even at moderate forward speed with full pedals to right or left, fenestron lacks power to yaw the fuselage broadside to the wind. Then Gazelle encounters strong pendulum swing that takes far too long to neutralize, exposing me to ground fire. But rotors keep turning producing lift. So I suppouse these extreme tactical maneuvers need a practiced hand. Drop the collective (not too quickly or engine breaks, if you have that in special settings), and yaw right, raise to yaw left together with relevant pedal. Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 12, 2023 Author Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/8/2023 at 1:05 AM, MAXsenna said: Drop the collective (not too quickly or engine breaks, if you have that in special settings), and yaw right, raise to yaw left together with relevant pedal. Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk I've had engine break by raising throttle up too fast. I have never had collective down action, even if aggressive , break Gazzelle's turbine. My guess, in real world , is that it is due to direct coupling of engine to transmission, and low governor responce time. In DCS, has never happened to me. Yet! Now I am curious. Now that I got practice with new FM, where I can stable hover and hover taxi Gazelle between trees, I practice these sneak-around battlefield tactics. 1
MAXsenna Posted August 12, 2023 Posted August 12, 2023 I've had engine break by raising throttle up too fast. I have never had collective down action, even if aggressive , break Gazzelle's turbine. My guess, in real world , is that it is due to direct coupling of engine to transmission, and low governor responce time. In DCS, has never happened to me. Yet! Now I am curious. Now that I got practice with new FM, where I can stable hover and hover taxi Gazelle between trees, I practice these sneak-around battlefield tactics.That's cool! Keep it up! Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 13, 2023 Author Posted August 13, 2023 The tactical Blivet maneuver DOES NOT WORK in DCS. Any contact between trees and rotor disk, and Gazelle goes looses rotor blade tips and lands wether you want to or not. I am surprised that Army would even allow this in RL. As rotor damamge is guranteed. Using your rotor disk as tree trimmer is a pretty good way to end up as a statistic or a casualty or both.
MAXsenna Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 The tactical Blivet maneuver DOES NOT WORK in DCS. Any contact between trees and rotor disk, and Gazelle goes looses rotor blade tips and lands wether you want to or not. I am surprised that Army would even allow this in RL. As rotor damamge is guranteed. Using your rotor disk as tree trimmer is a pretty good way to end up as a statistic or a casualty or both.Works fine with bamboo. Alas, we don't have a Vietnam map yet.Trees are dangerous for everything in DCS. The maneuver can be done if you have space obviously, and trees are larger and further spaced apart than real life.If I'm careful I can land the Hip in the middle of a forest. Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 13, 2023 Author Posted August 13, 2023 6 hours ago, MAXsenna said: Works fine with bamboo. Alas, we don't have a Vietnam map yet. Trees are dangerous for everything in DCS. The maneuver can be done if you have space obviously, and trees are larger and further spaced apart than real life. If I'm careful I can land the Hip in the middle of a forest. Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk DCS, to best of my understanding, like most real-time 3d, uses bounding box collision model for speed and efficiency. Meaning that any contact or intersection between bounding volumes of two object is counted as collision. So perhaps in RL, a cannon round can pass between canopy and vertical stab , just above fuselage, and not connect (assuming no proximity fuse). In DCS, such condition would be counted as hit or collision. Perhaps DCS then throws dice 50/50 to actually count the hit, which allows for Rl vagaries. So with rotor blades and trees in DCS, any , ever so slight intersection, of blade with tree, results in destroyed or damaged rotor. I tested this with Gazelle, UH-1H, KA-50III, AH-64D, and MI-24. So my best advice, don't try it! Leave Tactical Blivet on the table. Don't use it. I would not use it in RL, even if I had carbon composite reinforced blades. I am appaled at Army for even teaching it. To use it, safely, the pilot would have to such intimate, seat of the paints, feel for his aircraft's blade, as to know their postion within 1"-6" of hazard. This invites disaster. I have watched Vietnam footage of Air Cav Loaches (OA-6) hovering between trees, hovertaxing between Mekong Delta mangroves. The 26' rotor disk diameter helps, as does its unreal RPM. Also footage of German Army BO-105 in Wesr Germany flying inside forest powerline clearings, UNDERWIRING, landing in super-confined areas of German forests. The skill and cojones of those crews is insane. Their squadron CO must have been having heart attacks and ulcers after reading after-action reports. Maneuvers that would get civilian pilot grounded in this life and next, and put his or her employer out of business. The pilot would have to feel his aircraft, the rotor, the tail rotor, as parts of his body, and be intimately aware of his positional situation. Feel wind on his boom, and fuselage. Little subtle details, like brach swings, to see direction and speed of wind at that instant. We can never have that in DCS, unless we have VR and haptic HOTAS and haptic seat. (aka Buttkicker), and highly detailed interactive weather model. 1
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