BFT05 Terminate before slow level turn.

[Outlaw3]

During the training mission of BFT05, I kept getting terminated during the slow level flight at FL100, HDG 210, IAS 160. Always right before doing the slow 360 left hand turn. After approximately 7 attempts, I decided to just try the qualification. Nailed it the first attempt with a Qualified rating. I guess this is just an FYI so you can check the parameters for future attempts by others.

Really liking this campaign and looking forward to the other two when I complete this one. Thank you for these!

[Sabre-TLA]

If you have a trk file available that would help.  Not to worry if you don't but if other users find a similar issue please provide a trk file and we can investigate further. 

We didn't get the termination in testing but maybe something has changed in the game engine so we will test it again.

[RoGaR]

Same issue here. Here is the track. Unfortunately I have only one track, but the TacViews show, that there is not too much deviation even from the previous attemps. Same outcome.

Tacview-20250308-182900-DCS-A-10C II - BFT05 Practice Basic Maneuvers.zip.acmi Tacview-20250308-180500-DCS-A-10C II - BFT05 Practice Basic Maneuvers.zip.acmi Tacview-20250308-174721-DCS-A-10C II - BFT05 Practice Basic Maneuvers.zip.acmi BFT-05.trk

[RoGaR]

nullI somehow managed it and compared with the previous attempt (the correct one is the yellow one). As you can see, tha paths was pretty close to each other however the trigger did not hit. Any idea? 

Also I stopped the the Tacviews at the same moment 16:17:59 and the AI HOGs are at the different position at the north east. 

BFT-05-DONE.trk Tacview-20250309-110143-DCS-A-10C II - BFT05 Practice Basic Maneuvers.zip.acmi

[Sabre-TLA]

Thanks for the info.  

The triggers are timing based not tied to any locations or zones so the location should not matter.  I suspect the failed case was taking too long to complete the maneuvers but I'll check the triggers and review your trk file to see if we can get to the bottom of it.  

There should be some message indicating the reason for the failed attempt.  I'll see if I can get that from the trk file.

Once we know why then we can see what next steps can be taken to make this better.

[RoGaR]

During the first attempts, I always waited for the instructor to finish speaking before I started maneuvering. Maybe thats the issue.

In the successful one, I began each maneuver while he was still talking. I knew what was going to happen next and could react earlier.

In the successful attempt, I also didn’t wait to accelerate to 280 knots. I began maneuvering earlier, at the moment he told me, "You can start if you’re ready." That acceleration to 280 takes forever.

None of the attempts ended as "failed." It remained stuck on the command "continue on heading, speed, and altitude," and then nothing. Emptiness/Silence.

 

P.S. The very first attempt ended right after the first 360. When I completed it, the instructor said, "Outstanding, continue 040," and so on... and then I shut it down over the Caucasus.

[Sabre-TLA]

Those are good clues.  Thanks.

[Sabre-TLA]

I think I found the problem and will submit a fix to ED for the A-10C and A-10C II missions. 

The practice mission works ok however I did notice that the qual missions (from cold start) had more stringent wings level and speed tests than the practice missions.  I believe that in certain conditions it's possible the triggers would not fire so you wouldn't get the appropriate messages.

The changes I'll submit will ensure the triggers match so if you can pass the practice mission then you should be able to pass the qual missions if flown within similar parameters.

[RoGaR]

Oh wait. My attemps was during the practice part of the campaign.

I tought it's clear based on that the start was at the runway.

[Sabre-TLA]

That trk played successfully when I ran it.  If it happens again on the practice mission please upload a new trk.