Any chance for HMD?

[BalticDude]

I know we won't be getting Block III, which is fine. There are mods and such, but as the Hind got NVGs when it isn't night-vision capable cockpit could the JF-17 we have get an optional HMD sight just like how BS3 got Iglas?

[Napillo]

Supposedly the FC-1 was used to design the HMD, so it makes sense to me, and it appeared to be an option for sale, the craft even has a button for powering it. I think it might depend on availability of documentation for it. Also, the radar going into spot mode would be very handy.

[FlankerFan35]

Without PL-10 usefulness of HMD is in negligible. 

I'd rather wait until possible/rumored tech transfer from blk III to blk I/II and get the Chinese HMD which is akin to JHMCS and possible PL-10E to come with it.

[PLAAF]

13 hours ago, Napillo said:

Supposedly the FC-1 was used to design the HMD, so it makes sense to me, and it appeared to be an option for sale, the craft even has a button for powering it. I think it might depend on availability of documentation for it. Also, the radar going into spot mode would be very handy.

During the initial release of JF-17, in an interview, Deka said that they may upgrade the JF-17 with block 3 stuff as they go. That's why we got the refuelling rod. I hope we can get more features from block 3, not just the HMD.

Let's start with the HMD.

 

Then, the forward Missile Approach Warning System.

 

Then, the 2 extra under-air-intake pylons. With those, we can put our ECM and Targeting rods there and save the central fuselage pylon for the fuel tank for a longer range.

 

Lastly, if possible, let's update the UFCP as well.   

 

10 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

Without PL-10 usefulness of HMD is in negligible. 

I'd rather wait until possible/rumored tech transfer from blk III to blk I/II and get the Chinese HMD which is akin to JHMCS and possible PL-10E to come with it.

PL-8 would be good enough for me.

[okopanja]

[okopanja]

35 minutes ago, PLAAF said:

Lastly, if possible, let's update the UFCP as well.   

touchscreen?

[FlankerFan35]

1 hour ago, PLAAF said:

During the initial release of JF-17, in an interview, Deka said that they may upgrade the JF-17 with block 3 stuff as they go. That's why we got the refuelling rod. I hope we can get more features from block 3, not just the HMD.

Let's start with the HMD.

 

Then, the forward Missile Approach Warning System.

 

Then, the 2 extra under-air-intake pylons. With those, we can put our ECM and Targeting rods there and save the central fuselage pylon for the fuel tank for a longer range.

 

Lastly, if possible, let's update the UFCP as well.   

 

PL-8 would be good enough for me.

JF-17 doesn't have option to use PL-8.

As for front MAWS, KLJ-7A, HMD and WS-13E at that point just give me a J-10CE.

HMD/PL-10 would be cool, but anything more just makes me wonder why not J-10.

[PLAAF]

6 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

JF-17 doesn't have option to use PL-8.

As for front MAWS, KLJ-7A, HMD and WS-13E at that point just give me a J-10CE.

HMD/PL-10 would be cool, but anything more just makes me wonder why not J-10.

JF-17 was designed to be capable of carrying PL-8. It's just that Pakistan didn't have the budget to get everything.

Besides, PL-5 with HMD is good enough. As long as we can launch for a wider angle, it's a win for us.

J-10CE won't be possible until J-10C retire from PLA service I think.

Edited January 20, 2024 by PLAAF

[FlankerFan35]

2 minutes ago, PLAAF said:

JF-17 was designed to be capable of carrying PL-8. It's just that Pakistan didn't have the budget to get everything.

Besides, PL-5 with HMD is good enough. As long as we can launch for a wider angle, it's a win for us.

Hmm, I don't mean this to sound rude, but can you show proof on this, would be interesting if so.

Would help with SA, probably more with SD-10 than PL-5.

I do believe though that by the time we get access to all these blk III type features J-10CE may be possible. I am rather obsessed, however.
 

1 hour ago, okopanja said:

Which HMD I wonder.

[FlankerFan35]

Have some info on the later Chinese JHMCS equivalents but I wonder.

[PLAAF]

6 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

I do believe though that by the time we get access to all these blk III type features J-10CE may be possible. I am rather obsessed, however.

Not so simple, J-10C is known to have more advanced avionics and ECM suits than JF-17 Block 3. Besides, the J-10CE shares the same flight character as the domestic J-10CE. That's why I highly doubt that it will become available in DCS before the J-10C retires.

[FlankerFan35]

1 minute ago, PLAAF said:

Not so simple, J-10C is known to have more advanced avionics and ECM suits than JF-17 Block 3. Besides, the J-10CE shares the same flight character as the domestic J-10CE. That's why I highly doubt that it will become available in DCS before the J-10C retires.

CE has downgraded avionics but yes more advanced than JF.

Idk if this is right topic for this discussion though.

Perhaps you are right about our JF getting upgrades, Deka alr confirmed WS and PAF confirmed all JFs will go to BLK II standard and IIs already in line to receive some III features.

[PLAAF]

1 minute ago, FlankerFan35 said:

Deka alr confirmed WS and PAF confirmed all JFs will go to BLK II standard and IIs already in line to receive some III features.

Awesome, nice to know.

Wait, what did you mean by "WS"? You mean the engine?

[FlankerFan35]

4 minutes ago, PLAAF said:

Awesome, nice to know.

Wait, what did you mean by "WS"? You mean the engine?

WS-13E once it's out and if it arrived on early blk JFs, yes.

Answer was it would be a toggle option iirc.

Edited January 20, 2024 by FlankerFan35

[FlankerFan35]

Blk III pilot with Chinese HMD.

[BalticDude]

12 hours ago, PLAAF said:

During the initial release of JF-17, in an interview, Deka said that they may upgrade the JF-17 with block 3 stuff as they go. That's why we got the refuelling rod. I hope we can get more features from block 3, not just the HMD.

Let's start with the HMD.

 

Then, the forward Missile Approach Warning System.

 

Then, the 2 extra under-air-intake pylons. With those, we can put our ECM and Targeting rods there and save the central fuselage pylon for the fuel tank for a longer range.

 

Lastly, if possible, let's update the UFCP as well.   

 

PL-8 would be good enough for me.

Good post thank you for posting it. Would the extra pylons however not be possible on the JF-17 we have in-game due to the weaker engines not present on Block I/II?

[Napillo]

21 minutes ago, BalticDude said:

weaker engines

pylons require some kind of mount point internal to the structure, and wires with a route to the computer - the engine doesn't have anything to do with it.

[E-TF[101] Breeze]

On 1/20/2024 at 12:35 PM, FlankerFan35 said:

CE has downgraded avionics but yes more advanced than JF.

Idk if this is right topic for this discussion though.

Perhaps you are right about our JF getting upgrades, Deka alr confirmed WS and PAF confirmed all JFs will go to BLK II standard and IIs already in line to receive some III features.

Is there is a chance we get the WS13E in our DCS JF ?, It is confirmed by the PAF so its just a matter of time. would love to know Thanks @uboats

[FlankerFan35]

2 hours ago, E-TF[101] Breeze said:

Is there is a chance we get the WS13E in our DCS JF ?, It is confirmed by the PAF so its just a matter of time. would love to know Thanks @uboats

Uboats confirmed they would add WS-13E if they were able to get the data and if it was installed on blk I/II

[NomadActual]

Any additional Jf-17 upgrades would be amazing. I would even be happy with just the chin hardpoint. It would add so much more functionality. 

[FlankerFan35]

2 hours ago, NomadActual said:

Any additional Jf-17 upgrades would be amazing. I would even be happy with just the chin hardpoint. It would add so much more functionality. 

iirc hardpoint on block iii may require some reinforcing not found on our blk i/ii, best bet in terms of blk iii features are engine, HMD, PL-10.

[NomadActual]

I understand the technical limitations in real life. I was thinking about what would be most practical from the perspective of ED/Deka. I assume some additions are easier to implement than others.

[FlankerFan35]

1 hour ago, NomadActual said:

I understand the technical limitations in real life. I was thinking about what would be most practical from the perspective of ED/Deka. I assume some additions are easier to implement than others.

Those would be easiest HMD/PL-10 and then the WS-13E. Provisions are there for a HMD in the plane already as you can see above in this thread I believe, and as mentioned Deka has stated openness to adding the new engine

[AeriaGloria]

On 1/20/2024 at 1:16 AM, PLAAF said:

JF-17 was designed to be capable of carrying PL-8. It's just that Pakistan didn't have the budget to get everything.

Besides, PL-5 with HMD is good enough. As long as we can launch for a wider angle, it's a win for us.

J-10CE won't be possible until J-10C retire from PLA service I think.

 

Deka has said in these forums that the wingtip stations are not strong enough to hold PL-8, its above the wingtip mass limit. That is unless you want to carry PL-8 instead of other underwing weapons…..

[F-2]

PL-8 is heavy, like AMRAAM weight