Changes to flight model in latest update

[Punkmonkey22]

Hi,

Am I right in thinking there has been changes to the flight model of the Macchi? Might be placebo, but she feels more lively, builds airspeed quicker than I remember, and generally seems more "sporty".

I've started using it again to improve my flying and attack basics in prep for the Phantom, and having a blast!

Thanks

[YSIAD_RIP]

YEP.. The Little Italian Bird got some welcomed Flight Model updates last week and other improvements!

DCS: MB-339A/PAN by IndiaFoxtEcho Visual Simulations

• Fixed: HSI course setting does not take into account the magnetic declination
• Fixed: Pitch Trim insufficient
• Improved: Flight model - Lateral stability
• Improved: Flight model - Rudder efficiency at low speed (better control in crosswind conditions)
• Improved: Collision model
• Added: MB-339 T-Bird II (Lockheed T-Bird II) livery. Version for 1989 U.S. JPATS competition.
• Added: Keybindings for the following categories (see the MB-339 forum section for the complete list):
  • MASTER CAUTION
  • AHR/GPS System
  • HSI Nav Modes

[Punkmonkey22]

16 hours ago, YSIAD_RIP said:

YEP.. The Little Italian Bird got some welcomed Flight Model updates last week and other improvements!

DCS: MB-339A/PAN by IndiaFoxtEcho Visual Simulations

• Fixed: HSI course setting does not take into account the magnetic declination
• Fixed: Pitch Trim insufficient
• Improved: Flight model - Lateral stability
• Improved: Flight model - Rudder efficiency at low speed (better control in crosswind conditions)
• Improved: Collision model
• Added: MB-339 T-Bird II (Lockheed T-Bird II) livery. Version for 1989 U.S. JPATS competition.
• Added: Keybindings for the following categories (see the MB-339 forum section for the complete list):
  • MASTER CAUTION
  • AHR/GPS System
  • HSI Nav Modes

Thanks! Def seems faster, that might just be me getting more efficient at flying it then

[BJ55]

Are you still able to enter a flat spin? I've tried all my best but I'm unable to stall the AC or to make it depart, rudder and elevator authority seem too weak.

[6S.Duke]

Are you still able to enter a flat spin? I've tried all my best but I'm unable to stall the AC or to make it depart, rudder and elevator authority seem too weak.

Hi, the MB-339 is designed to not enter at all in a spin.
The MB-339 can be placed in a spin condition by forcing it with the rudder but you won't be able to perform a total spin. The aircraft will maintain a down nose and if you release the flight controls (centralize them) the aircraft is able to recover autonomously from the spin.
The aircraft has been designed like that because as trainer must be safe for pilots with any skills, from basic since advanced.

Anyway, the above is also reported in the authentic MB339 Flight Manual.

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[BJ55]

Yep, I know, if at 300kts I go vertical, then left aileron roll, cut the throttle and push the stick forward with max right rudder until 110-120kts it does at least three stall spins like in the track below, actually I find really difficult to pratice the spin described in the manual, once reached the 110kts the nose points down at 90° and there's no much the elevator and rudder can do.

Invece con la "volo folle" si comporta bene.

Mandi.

339_no-spin4.trk

Edited June 19, 2024 by BJ55
small correction

[BJ55]

Apologize for the wrong term (flat) in the first question, was a moment of confusion after the "goose slaughtering" while testing other modules
Did some more tests and came to the conclusion that maybe I've hit a DCS flight dynamics limit, after all it's not a Digital Aerobatics Simulator, by the way, among all trainers, I think that the MB339 has the best FM.

Edited June 22, 2024 by BJ55

[6S.Duke]

Apologize for the wrong term (flat) in the first question, was a moment of confusion after the "goose slaughtering" while testing other modules
Did some more tests and came to the conclusion that maybe I've hit a DCS flight dynamics limit, after all it's not a Digital Aerobatics Simulator, by the way, among all trainers, I think that the MB339 has the best FM.

No need to apologise :) and thank you for the compliment!
Anyway the "stall" conditions are not always easy to reproduce on a flight Simulator. You can make them very close but never perfect.
In our opinion, the important is that a FM matches all the flight performances that are the conditions who majority of users fly in.

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[Glide]

Oh my!  There are two things I love in DCS: river racing up the Poti on the Caucasus map, and terrain masking in the Apache along roads and rail lines (especially at night).  I have a third now: do both those things in the MB339.  I can't get over how wonderful the rudder action is on this beauty!  Well done!

[6S.Duke]

Oh my!  There are two things I love in DCS: river racing up the Poti on the Caucasus map, and terrain masking in the Apache along roads and rail lines (especially at night).  I have a third now: do both those things in the MB339.  I can't get over how wonderful the rudder action is on this beauty!  Well done!

Glad you are enjoying our little bird

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[Glide]

45 minutes ago, 6S.Duke said:

Glad you are enjoying our little bird

Immelmann turns at sunrise today!

Edited July 23, 2024 by Glide