Slugmouse - a mouse button emulator for hand-tracked cockpit clicking.

[slughead]

Just now, Panzerlang said:

Ok, so Ultraleap is just a nice immersion-factor (visible hands), Slugmouse works just as well without it.

The Ultraleap provides hand tracking, which allows you to move your hand over a control and then click with the Slugmouse. Without the Ultraleap, or hand tracking built into the headset, you can configure a fixed mouse cross that moves where your head is pointed and then use the Slugmouse to perform mouse clicks. You could achieve similar by mapping mouse clicks to your HOTAS buttons.

[slughead]

When mapping mouse buttons to HOTAS, you will find that controls to your rear left or right will make it difficult to point with your head and keep hold of the HOTAS. I also tried USB foot pedals and mouse buttons at one point. Ultimately, finger-mounted controls worked best.

[Panzerlang]

2 minutes ago, slughead said:

When mapping mouse buttons to HOTAS, you will find that controls to your rear left or right will make it difficult to point with your head and keep hold of the HOTAS. I also tried USB foot pedals and mouse buttons at one point. Ultimately, finger-mounted controls worked best.

I think the case that can be had with the Ultraleap unit will make attachment doable. 
I have a UK ring-sizer (a plastic strap thingy), it measures in letters and then numbers for really thick fingers. I can also lay it out and measure to the point with a ruler. Both my forefingers are a bit over 8cm. Can you make them that big?

[slughead]

13 minutes ago, Panzerlang said:

I think the case that can be had with the Ultraleap unit will make attachment doable. 
I have a UK ring-sizer (a plastic strap thingy), it measures in letters and then numbers for really thick fingers. I can also lay it out and measure to the point with a ruler. Both my forefingers are a bit over 8cm. Can you make them that big?

That shouldn't be a problem. Usually the limiting factor is how small I can make them as the electronics are fixed size.

[Panzerlang]

1 hour ago, slughead said:

That shouldn't be a problem. Usually the limiting factor is how small I can make them as the electronics are fixed size.

I've PM'd you dude.

[SewMac]

Hi @slughead,

I have the Pimax Crystal with the Pimax Hand Tracking Module, just confirming I need to install HTCC and the SlugMouse will provide full mouse control?
I've found in cockpit the visualised gloves are more of a hinderance.
To place an order do I PM you here or elsewhere.

Thanks.

[slughead]

3 minutes ago, SewMac said:

Hi @slughead,

I have the Pimax Crystal with the Pimax Hand Tracking Module, just confirming I need to install HTCC and the SlugMouse will provide full mouse control?
I've found in cockpit the visualised gloves are more of a hinderance.
To place an order do I PM you here or elsewhere.

Thanks.

Hi SewMac. Best to turn off the gloves and just have the normal mouse cross. The hands never work well which is why I prefer a mouse style system that you click.

If you haven’t already, why not give HTCC a try then drop me a PM or email me at team.slughead@outlook.com to place your order.

[rafalg78]

 

On 7/28/2024 at 1:03 PM, slughead said:

If you can find an stl file to mount the Ultraleap to your Pimax, I will print and supply it at no extra charge with your Slugmouse order.

This is my thing to attach Leap Motion to the Pimax Crystal Light:

Leap Motion holder for Pimax Crystal by rafgaj - Thingiverse

I believe the front cover is exactly the same as Crystal so should works.

The holder gives perfect position of Leap Motion to track and does not refer with cameras.

Edited August 1, 2024 by rafalg78

[SewMac]

1 hour ago, slughead said:

Hi SewMac. Best to turn off the gloves and just have the normal mouse cross. The hands never work well which is why I prefer a mouse style system that you click.

If you haven’t already, why not give HTCC a try then drop me a PM or email me at team.slughead@outlook.com to place your order.

Thanks for getting back to me, I will be turning off the gloves as they will get in the way. I'll get my finger ring sizes and get in touch to place an order. In Australia so ring sizing in millimetres is ok?

[slughead]

35 minutes ago, SewMac said:

Thanks for getting back to me, I will be turning off the gloves as they will get in the way. I'll get my finger ring sizes and get in touch to place an order. In Australia so ring sizing in millimetres is ok?

Perfect.

[SewMac]

Dropped into a local jewellers, measurement below:
Left index finger: V = 63.75mm
Right index finger: Z = 68.75mm

Didn't realise my right finger was so different.
Test ring fitting was slightly snug but allowed for twisting the ring.
Was middle of the day in winter here, so hands were a bit cold, in your experience for gaming indoors when the room is warm I would add a bit more to each ring size?

Edited August 3, 2024 by SewMac

[slughead]

4 hours ago, SewMac said:

Dropped into a local jewellers, measurement below:
Left index finger: V = 63.75mm
Right index finger: Z = 68.75mm

Didn't realise my right finger was so different.
Test ring fitting was slightly snug but allowed for twisting the ring.
Was middle of the day in winter here, so hands were a bit cold, in your experience for gaming indoors when the room is warm I would add a bit more to each ring size?

 

Excellent. Yes, mine are different sizes too.

I now provide three lower-ring tangs with the Slugmouse: a small, medium and large. The medium will be for the ring size provided; small is a bit thicker, and large is a bit thinner. To fit, gently pull straight out from the main body of the Slugmouse and insert one of the other sizes. They snap into place when pushed in firmly. You may need to gently wiggle them to remove them from the main body.

I will send you a private message to complete the order details.

[slughead]

Another order in the making. All orders are now shipped with large, medium and small removable lower ring tangs for your comfort.

[Madman3353]

For those that have the slugmouse and pointctrl I’m using the quest 3 how does it compare with the pointctrl and its dedicated hand tracking module. For the price it’s only a few dollars difference for me but the time frame is a killer. Is the slug mouse that much better for around the same price as the pointctrl?

[Maddaawg]

23 minutes ago, Madman3353 said:

For those that have the slugmouse and pointctrl I’m using the quest 3 how does it compare with the pointctrl and its dedicated hand tracking module. For the price it’s only a few dollars difference for me but the time frame is a killer. Is the slug mouse that much better for around the same price as the pointctrl?

I don't know which is better, but one is available now and the other in 18 to 24 months. I have been on the PointCtrl list since Feb 2023 and I am anticipating Christmas or so. I am using the Slugmouse daily and really like using them and really can't imagine not using them now in VR. I initially had issues with them breaking at the ring and I have fixed them with epoxy. The new design looks like it has taken care of that issue. The Slugmouse does have easy to use controls with 5 ways on each one though not customizable. The PointCtrl only has 3 on each finger but you can opt in for the larger package with 6 more to mount on your helmet. The Slugmouse is limited to HMD's with hand recognition, while the PointCtrl has its own built in.

If your not on the list for PointCtrl, go ahead and do it as it costs nothing. You can see on his Discord what orders he is shipping. Then order the Slugmouse to keep you happy for 18-24 months and if you like the Slugmouse enough, you can just cancel the PointCtrl.

[TFS]

Same as mentioned above, I have the slugmouse, and I'm on the point control list since 2023 and I still plan to get the pointcontrol. Who knows what the future of HMDs looks like. The quest 3 has incredible hand tracking. Other headsets don't have any or are any good comparably. So if I save up for the pimax super and the handtrackint isn't available yet or sucks, then maybe I'd have to use point control, if it works with HTCC then I'll use my slugmouse. 

 

However, I ordered the slugmouse. Paid, and only but days later I was using them... worth it to me. 

[Madman3353]

Why continue to get both if slugmouse works for those with hand tracking headsets already? What benefits does the pointctrl have over slugmouse?

[TFS]

5 hours ago, Madman3353 said:

Why continue to get both if slugmouse works for those with hand tracking headsets already? What benefits does the pointctrl have over slugmouse?

Point control works without an HMD with hand tracking, it uses its own IR sensor. Thats why.

[Madman3353]

4 minutes ago, TFS said:

Point control works without an HMD with hand tracking, it uses its own IR sensor. Thats why.

That much I get but I’m saying is there an advantage to pointctrl vs slugmouse for those using HMD’s that have hand tracking built in. Like the quest 3 or quest pro or any other that has the hand tracking built in. I have the quest 3. And probably will never get a crystal or any hmd without hand tracking. 

[slughead]

2 minutes ago, Madman3353 said:

That much I get but I’m saying is there an advantage to pointctrl vs slugmouse for those using HMD’s that have hand tracking built in. Like the quest 3 or quest pro or any other that has the hand tracking built in. I have the quest 3. And probably will never get a crystal or any hmd without hand tracking. 

There’s no advantage of pointctrl over Slugmouse for headsets with their own hand tracking. With pointctrl you’ll be adding weight to your headset and I expect a cable.

[Maddaawg]

Another advantage to slugmouse is that there is no USB cable to power it. So just put them on and startup HTCC.

I am planning an upgrade to Pimax and currently their solution for hand tracking is unavailable and certainly not built in like Meta.

Another thing to think about is how Meta keeps breaking OpenXR tools we use like HTCC. I'm good with Virtual Desktop so hopefully that shouldn't be an issue. Though I don't really like relying on a 3rd part app.

[slughead]

21 minutes ago, Maddaawg said:

Another advantage to slugmouse is that there is no USB cable to power it. So just put them on and startup HTCC.

I am planning an upgrade to Pimax and currently their solution for hand tracking is unavailable and certainly not built in like Meta.

Another thing to think about is how Meta keeps breaking OpenXR tools we use like HTCC. I'm good with Virtual Desktop so hopefully that shouldn't be an issue. Though I don't really like relying on a 3rd part app.

What headset do you have now? I have a Quest Pro. I don’t intend an upgrade until it either fails or there’s a big step up in headset technology along with the PC hardware to drive it. I expect that’s going to cost a pretty penny.

[Madman3353]

28 minutes ago, slughead said:

What headset do you have now? I have a Quest Pro. I don’t intend an upgrade until it either fails or there’s a big step up in headset technology along with the PC hardware to drive it. I expect that’s going to cost a pretty penny.

I currently have a quest 3 and I just rebuilt my computer only thing I’m waiting for are the new nvidia gpus 

[slughead]

I’m a little bit tempted by the Quest 3 for the improved cameras which brings the ability to have physical MFDs etc passed through to the headset image. But it’s not enough of an upgrade although the pricing is tempting.

57 minutes ago, Maddaawg said:

Another thing to think about is how Meta keeps breaking OpenXR tools we use like HTCC. I'm good with Virtual Desktop so hopefully that shouldn't be an issue. Though I don't really like relying on a 3rd part app.

We’re all relying on someone be it third party or not. Take all the HP Reverb G2 owners and Microsoft pulling the plug on WMR.

Edited August 4, 2024 by slughead

[SewMac]

Order placed, really looking forward to trying Slug Mouse out with the Crystal - was getting a bit frustrated with the in cockpit gloves on the weekend.