Slugmouse - a mouse button emulator for hand-tracked cockpit clicking.

[Maddaawg]

5 minutes ago, SewMac said:

Order placed, really looking forward to trying Slug Mouse out with the Crystal - was getting a bit frustrated with the in cockpit gloves on the weekend.
 

What are you using for hand tracking - Leapmotion?

Edited August 4, 2024 by Maddaawg

[slughead]

42 minutes ago, SewMac said:

Order placed, really looking forward to trying Slug Mouse out with the Crystal - was getting a bit frustrated with the in cockpit gloves on the weekend.
 

Received. I will build your order this week and let you know when it is ready to be shipped.

The gloves, whilst nice, are impossible to use reliably. I found that soon after switching from 2D to VR and quickly looked at various solutions.

[Maddaawg]

3 hours ago, slughead said:

We’re all relying on someone be it third party or not. Take all the HP Reverb G2 owners and Microsoft pulling the plug on WMR.

Exactly, HP has already discontinued the Reverb anyway but if they hadn't, they would have to create a new solution to keep their products working and selling.

[Maddaawg]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:04 AM, slughead said:

All orders are now shipped with large, medium and small removable lower ring tangs for your comfort.

@slughead, I wanted to ask when I saw this post but forgot. Does S,M,L refer to length or thickness? How are they attached to the body?

[slughead]

8 hours ago, Maddaawg said:

@slughead, I wanted to ask when I saw this post but forgot. Does S,M,L refer to length or thickness? How are they attached to the body?

It’s thickness. So small makes the ring size smaller and large makes it a bit bigger. They’re a push fit and snap into place. You have to be careful removing them. A gentle wiggle helps.

Edited August 5, 2024 by slughead

[SewMac]

On 8/5/2024 at 8:51 AM, Maddaawg said:

What are you using for hand tracking - Leapmotion?

 

Yes, using the Pimax Crystal with the Pimax Hand Tracking Module which uses the SIR170 and Gemini drivers.

[Maddaawg]

5 hours ago, SewMac said:

Yes, using the Pimax Crystal with the Pimax Hand Tracking Module which uses the SIR170 and Gemini drivers.

I'm interested in getting a Pimax, either the Super or the Light but not having any hand tracking is a big downside. I have seen them discuss a MR plate in the works, I just don't know for which devices, and I am just assuming they would include hand tracking with it. Their other hand tracking products seem to be on backorder.

[Panzerlang]

7 minutes ago, Maddaawg said:

I'm interested in getting a Pimax, either the Super or the Light but not having any hand tracking is a big downside. I have seen them discuss a MR plate in the works, I just don't know for which devices, and I am just assuming they would include hand tracking with it. Their other hand tracking products seem to be on backorder.

They're not on back-order, they stopped having them produced. However, after being nagged one of their reps posted a poll to see if there is a financial incentive to do what they should be obligated to do to honour advertised features of a product that's not even remotely near 'end of life'. Which is why I won't be upgrading to the Super. Who knows what features will be trumpeted at the start to get the money rolling in, then dumped when it suits their margins.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Panzerlang

[Maddaawg]

15 minutes ago, Panzerlang said:

They're not on back-order, they stopped having them produced. However, after being nagged one of their reps posted a poll to see if there is a financial incentive to do what they should be obligated to do to honour advertised features of a product that's not even remotely near 'end of life'. Which is why I won't be upgrading to the Super. Who knows what features will be trumpeted at the start to get the money rolling in, then dumped when it suits their margins.

 

I found this on their Discord and I filled out their interest form telling them hand tracking is a must for DCS and the Slugmouse.

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We are currently evaluating the demand for our hand tracking module, which is temporarily out of stock. Your feedback will help us understand how critical this module is to your VR experience and inform our decision on future production. Please take a moment to share your interest, current usage, and any specific needs you may have for the hand tracking module. Your input is greatly appreciated and will guide us in improving our offerings. Thank you for participating!

 

[SewMac]

22 hours ago, Panzerlang said:

They're not on back-order, they stopped having them produced. However, after being nagged one of their reps posted a poll to see if there is a financial incentive to do what they should be obligated to do to honour advertised features of a product that's not even remotely near 'end of life'. Which is why I won't be upgrading to the Super. Who knows what features will be trumpeted at the start to get the money rolling in, then dumped when it suits their margins.

 

I think I might have grabbed one of the last units in stock, only received it a couple of months ago.

[Panzerlang]

19 hours ago, SewMac said:

I think I might have grabbed one of the last units in stock, only received it a couple of months ago.

How is it working? Any noticeable heat from it?

[SewMac]

On 8/8/2024 at 8:19 AM, Panzerlang said:

How is it working? Any noticeable heat from it?

No heat, no additional weight noticed. USB driver implementation is <profanity>, lost countless hours getting it to recognise the HTD hardware. Have it sorted now, I have a specific boot up sequence that ensures it is recognised by Win11. That's about it.

 

[slughead]

 

[Yuma]

On 8/6/2024 at 12:45 AM, Maddaawg said:

I'm interested in getting a Pimax, either the Super or the Light but not having any hand tracking is a big downside. I have seen them discuss a MR plate in the works, I just don't know for which devices, and I am just assuming they would include hand tracking with it. Their other hand tracking products seem to be on backorder.

I would advise not to purchase the Pimax hand module. I’m having issues as the USB C port in the crystal is not providing enough power to the module and you get a lot of jittery:

 

[slughead]

1 hour ago, Yuma said:

I would advise not to purchase the Pimax hand module. I’m having issues as the USB C port in the crystal is not providing enough power to the module and you get a lot of jittery:

 

Although other people have got it working. It’s one thing to draw attention to your issue but not really to suggest this is a universal problem based on less than a handful of people’s experiences. Maybe ask TFS and Sewmac how they got theirs to work. It could be a driver issue.

[Yuma]

4 minutes ago, slughead said:

Although other people have got it working. It’s one thing to draw attention to your issue but not really to suggest this is a universal problem based on less than a handful of people’s experiences. Maybe ask TFS and Sewmac how they got theirs to work. It could be a driver issue.

Just to be clear, I’m talking about the pimax hand tracking module not your device.

 

Now, if you talking about the Pimax hand tracking module. If it would be a driver issue, why is it that the leap motion 2 works when connected via USB 3 but the Pimax hand tracking module doesn’t when connected to the Primax crystal headset in the USB C? Same Ultraleap version software and everything. I know Tallymouse has it working too. Just sharing my experience with others just in case and mostly so it gets corrected in the future with the upcoming Pimax devices.

[slughead]

Just now, Yuma said:

Just to be clear, I’m talking about the pimax hand tracking module not your device.

 

Now, if you talking about the Pimax hand tracking module. If it would be a driver issue, why is it that the leap motion 2 works when connected via USB 3 but the Pimax hand tracking module doesn’t when connected to the Primax crystal headset in the USB C? Same Ultraleap version software and everything. I know Tallymouse has it working too. Just sharing my experience with others just in case and mostly so it gets corrected in the future with the upcoming Pimax devices.

Yeah I got that. Don’t ask me though. Ask the two guys that have said they have it working.

[Maddaawg]

7 hours ago, Yuma said:

I would advise not to purchase the Pimax hand module. I’m having issues as the USB C port in the crystal is not providing enough power to the module and you get a lot of jittery:

 

I think my interest is in the new MR face plate and if it will include hand tracking. Seems like a missed opportunity if they don't include it.

[Arty]

Hello I have leap motion the very first version and I use Falcon BMS.

I don't have a VR but trackIR.

Will it work?

[slughead]

Slugmouse is a mouse button emulator. It doesn't move the mouse. It relies on other software such as HTCC to move the mouse which is a VR/OpenXR application. You may be able to use the leap motion control to track your hands in DCS, but I don't know what software you would need to use to make it move the mouse outside of VR in DCS.

Edited August 12, 2024 by slughead

[SewMac]

Received my order yesterday, have to say the build quality is exceptional - thanks @slughead 
Bluetooth pairing is working well, just needed to connect the external blue tooth antenna to the motherboard.

Mouse clicks are working inside DCS, cursor moves with my head movement however moving the hand with slug mouse provides no cursor movement.
Would love some guidance on this.

That apart the mouse click and scrolling is bloody brilliant on the controls in the cockpit, super fast and responsive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2024 by SewMac

[slughead]

2 hours ago, SewMac said:

Received my order yesterday, have to say the build quality is exceptional - thanks @slughead 
Bluetooth pairing is working however each mouse seems to be dropping in and out of the bluetooth connected state with the PC depending on where I position the slugmouse in relation to the PC. They are about 200-300mm from the pc so not sure what to do.

Solution for others with similar problem:
Connected the motherboard wifi & bluetooth antenna - connection now stable.

Mouse clicks are working inside DCS, cursor moves with my head movement however moving the hand with slugmouse provides no cursor movement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey SewMac!

I'm glad you solved your connection issue. I was going to suggest that if you have a motherboard with built-in Bluetooth and an antenna connection, you must use the antenna. I have such a motherboard, Gigabyte Z790 UD AX, and Bluetooth and WiFi reception is poor without the external antenna, yet once the antenna is connected, reliability is flawless. 

Regarding the cursor not tracking the hands, have you followed the guide for HTCC: Home | HTCC (fredemmott.com)

[SewMac]

Thanks @slughead, I did miss the HTCC guide.

Have spent the lost couple of hours stepping thru the guide from Getting Started thru to DCS game setup.
While the mouse clicks work, I can only get the in cockpit cursor to move by turning my head, moving the left and right hand slugmice in front of the Pimax Crystal hand tracking module with the IR170 camera provides no cursor movement.

I've screen shotted the settings I think are relevant, would appreciate a quick review to see if I have selected any incorrect options.

NOTE: I have also enabled the HTCC workarounds as well with no success.

Edited August 22, 2024 by SewMac

[rafalg78]

Here are my settings of HTCC:

[slughead]

Have you disabled Utraleap under DCS > Settings > Special?

In HTCC you have selected "virtual oculus touch controller". You don't have an Oculus. Fred no longer recommends touch controller emulation so please try "virtual touch screen or tablet" mode.

Try that. If that doesn't help, please reach out to Fred on his discord server: https://discord.gg/DRcwPFYU