upyr1 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 We have the H-6 in the Chinese asset pack would it be possible to get a Tu-16 based on the H-6 model? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) The H-6 has diferent beast, Soviet Tu-16 was only a Tu-16H and a Tu-16K imported and all "Tu-16 (H-6)" was chinnese build versions with changes on systems, perfonance and weapons, on fact need build the propper missing Chinnese versions. My info about all H-6 versions: H-6A [Badger] Bomber Man Rtng: 0.5/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Ballistic Sensors: Type 241 radar Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 300 360 -- Med: 430 480 -- High: 430 520 -- Ceiling: 12800 meters Engine Type: TJ Cruise Range: 2785 nmi Int Fuel: 36300 kg Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 9000 kg Off Guns: 1 fixed Type 23-2 23mm in nose (1.4) Def Guns: 3 twin Type 23-2 23mm in defensive turrets (0.8) • 16 Type 50 or 16 Type 100 or 16 Type 250-2 or 12 Type 500-1/2 or 4 Type 1500-1 or 4 1000-1 or 2 Type 3000-1 bombs • 2 AKD-63 or 2 AKD-63B, AKK-802K guidance pod (H-6H, H-6M) • 2 AKD-20, 1 KG-600 ECM, 1 KL-700 ES pods (H-6M only) • 8 1000 kg bombs (use Russian FAB-1000M43) • 1 H639 or 3 H524-23 nuclear bombs • 12 500 kg or 4 1000 kg sea mines • 4 Yu-2 torpedoes • 1 WZ-8 drone (H-6MW only) Remarks: In Svc: 1971 One Tu-16H and one T-16K imported from Russia, later converted to nuclear role for 1965 and 1967 nuclear tests, later converted back. 120 delivered 1970 - 1987 with 8th, 10th, 36th, 48th Bomber Divisions, H-6C/E/F/H have 2985 nmi range due to redesigned wings. PLANAF used H-6C and H-6F. All variants used by PLAAF. • H-6A: Stats as above. Has optical bombsight, limited to bombing targets in visual LOS. Updated to H-6AII from 1980. • H-6AII: Fitted with all weather avionics, Type 244 radar, Type 211 tail GFC, rear aspect Gen 0 RWR over 090°-270° and to blind bomb area targets. In service 1982. • H-6Z: Three H-6A aircraft converted in 1979 to reconnaissance role. • H-6C (initially H-6III) -6AII with 1st Gen J&D, Type 244 radar, all aspect Gen 0 RWR. In service late 1983. • H-6E: H-6AII upgraded with computing bombsight, 2nd Gen J&D. Nose 23mm and dorsal twin 23mm removed (0.6). In service 1994. • H-6F: H-6A/C aircraft converted with computing bombsight, 2nd Gen J&D, conventional weapons only, nose 23mm removed. In service 1994. • H-6H: H-6F conversions with Type 245 radar. All guns removed. Fitted with internal control link for AKD-63. In service 2005. • H-6I: Planned version of H-6A with four turbofan engines, cruise range 3700 nmi, damage value 67. Canceled 1978 due to failure of WS-9 engines. • H-6M: has HP for four land attack cruise missiles, Type 245 radar, 2nd Gen J&D, 2nd Gen RWR, retains bomb capability. Retains tail turret (0.6). Requires AKK-802K pod to guide AKD-63. In service 2007, modified from H-6F. • H-6MW: PLAAF H-6M conversions for WZ-8 drone on CL replacing bomb bay. Possibly in service 2019. • H-6Z: Three aircraft converted in 1979 to reconnaissance role. • HD-6: ELINT version with all weapons removed. In service late 1990s. • HG-6: Escort jammer variant with 2nd Gen RWR (can only jam weapons radars). Clutter rating 12. In service 1983. • 1971 - 86: Around 140 H-6A delivered. • Mid 90s: Retired from nuclear bomber role. • 2011: H-6E/F 107th; H-6H 22nd, 28th, 29th, 144th; H-6H/M 108th regiments. • 2014: H-6H fitted with 2nd Gen J&D, 2nd Gen RWR. • 2015: H-A/AII/E/F withdrawn from frontline service, used for training. • 2018?: H-6H deployment to Woody Island. • 2019: 120 of all types in service with PLAAF. • 2021: PLAAF regiments. CTC - 107th H-6K/H Lintong, 108th H-6K/M Wugong; ETC - 29th H-6H at Luhe, 30th H-6M/MW at Luhe. H-6D/G/L [Badger] Attack Man Rtng: 0.5/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Ballistic Counterm: 1st Gen J&D Inflight Refuel: N Sensors: Type 245 radar, Gen 0 RWR Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 300 360 -- Med: 430 480 -- High: 430 520 -- Ceiling: 12000 meters Engine Type: TJ Cruise Range: 2945 nmi Int Fuel: 36300 kg Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 8000 kg Def Guns: 3 twin Type 23-2H 23mm in defensive turrets (1.3) • 2 YJ-6 (H-6D) • 2 YJ-61 (H-6D, mid 90s) • 4 YJ-83K or 4 AKD-88 (H-6G) • 2 YJ-83K or 2 AKD-88, ES pod, standoff jammer pod (H-6G) • 2 YJ-12, 1 KG-600 ECM, 1 KL-700 ES pod (H-6L) • 12 500 kg or 4 1000 kg sea mines • 16 Type 250-2 or 12 Type 500-2 or 6 Type 1500-2 or 2 Type 3000-2 bombs Remarks: In Svc: Dec 85 Retains conventional bombing capability. PLANAF only. • H-6D: Around 30 delivered by 1992, possibly retired 2010. Four of these exported to Iraq as B-5D. • H-6G: 24-30 H-6F with 2nd Gen J&D, 2nd Gen RWR. All guns removed. Replaces H-6D. In service 2002 with ETCN and STCN. • H-6L: H-6G conversions with provision of YJ-12. In service Feb 19. • 1990s: Eight H-6D converted to tanker, listed separately. • 2011: Three regiments - H-6G at Danyang East; H-6D/G, H-6DU at Shanhaigun and Guiping. • 2013 or 2014: H-6G operational with YJ-12, as H-6L loadout. • 2011: Two regiments - H-6G, H-6DU at Shanhaigun and Guiping. • 2018: H-6Gs seen with underwing defensive ECM pods. • 2018: Regiments - 17th H-6G/H-6DU at Cangzhou ETCN, 23rd H-6G/H-6DU at Guiping STCN. • 2019: 30 remain. H-6J/K/N Bomber Man Rtng: 1.0/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Advanced Counterm: 3rd Gen J&D(e) Inflight Refuel: N Sensors: H-6K Radar, 2nd Gen FLIR, 2nd Gen RWR Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 340 370 -- Med: 470 490 -- High: 470 530 -- Ceiling: e13000 meters Engine Type: TF Cruise Range: 3900 nmi Int Fuel: c38580 kg Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 12000 kg • 6 AKD-20 (H-6K/N) • 1 NORINCO 'MOAB' bomb, 2 pods • 4 AKD-63 or 4 AKD-63B, AKK-802K guidance pod, 2 pods (H-6K) • 4 AKD-20 or 4 AKD-63 or 4 AKD-63B, 2 pods (H-6N) • 6 YJ-12 or 6 YJ-83K, 2 pods (H-6J) • 4 YJ-12, 2 pods (H-6K/N) • 1 CH-AS-X-13 or 1 WZ-8, 2 pods (H-6N) • 36 Type 250-3/-4 or 12 Type 500-3/-4 bombs externally • 16 Type 250-2 or 12 Type 500-2 or 6 Type 1500-2 or 2 Type 3000-2 bombs internally • 12 500 kg or 4 1000 kg sea mines (estimated) Remarks: In Svc: Oct 09 Re-engined with Russian D-30KP TF replacing the original Chinese engines. Composite materials used in the structure, glass cockpit. Tail stinger replaced by electronics. Speeds and range estimated. Pods are either KL-700 ES, KG-600 ECM or KG-800 escort jammer pods. Can probably carry bombs and mines as the H-6D/G/L. • H-6J: PLANAF antishipping. In service 2018, with eight with 1st Regiment Guiping STCN by Jan 2019, 5th Regiment Changzhou in ETCN in 2019. • H-6K: PLAAF cruise missile carrier. 28th Regiment Anqing ETC Mid 12, 24th Regiment Leiyang STC Mid 12, 29th Regiment Luhe ETC 2013, 22nd Regiment Shaodong STC 2015, 108th Regiment H-6K/M Wugong CTC 2017. Each regiment has approximately 20 a/c. • H-6N: PLAAF. Fitted with inflight refueling probe, 4th Gen J&D, internal guidance link for AKD-63. Bomb bay replaced by semi-conformal mount for CH-AS-X-13 ASBM. Possibly in service 2018. At least 4 in Aug 2019 with 106th Brigade PLAAF HQ Command. • 2015: About 15 H-6K in service. • 2016: H-6K assessed as dual-capable with nuclear armed AKD-20. • Dec 16: Seen with @6 250 kg on each of its six wing HP. Also shown firing AKD-63, AKD-88 (w/guidance pod). • 2018: ETC - 28th H-6K Anqing; STC - 22nd H-6K Shaodong, 24th H-6K Leiyang. • Jan 19: H-6K test drops NORINCO 'MOAB'. • Apr 20: H-6J seen with YJ-12. Around 60 H-6K operational in three regiments. • Aug 20: First reported H-6J deployments to Woody Island. • Late 20: H-6KG with 4th Gen J&D delivered to 24th Regiment as mixed H-6K/KG unit. • 2021: Possibly WS-18 engines replace D-30KP. H-6U, H-6DU [Badger] Tanker Man Rtng: 0.5/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Ballistic Counterm: 2nd Gen D Inflight Refuel: N/2D Sensors: Type 245 radar (H-6DU only) Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 300 360 -- Med: 430 480 -- High: 430 520 -- Ceiling: 12800 meters Engine Type: TJ Cruise Range: 2920 nmi Int Fuel: 36300 kg Remarks: In Svc: 1996 12 H-6U with PLAAF, sometimes called HY-6 and HU-6. 8 H-6DU or HU-6D with PLANAF converted from H-6D in Changzhou ETCN and Guiping STCN. Maximum transfer fuel is 18500 kg or 1750 nmi. Cannot refuel J-15, J-16 or Su-30MKK series due to incompatible hose and drogue system. • 2001: PLAAF 143rd renamed 23rd Regiment. • 2016-18: Fitted with 2nd Generation RWR and 3rd Generation decoys by this date. PLAAF H-6U at STC Leiyang with 23rd Brigade. • 2019: Five PLANAF remain. Edited May 6 by Silver_Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 8 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said: The H-6 has diferent beast, Soviet Tu-16 was only a Tu-16H and a Tu-16K imported and all "Tu-16 (H-6)" was chinnese build versions with changes on systems, perfonance and weapons, on fact need build the propper missing Chinnese versions. My info about all H-6 versions: H-6A [Badger] Bomber Man Rtng: 0.5/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Ballistic Sensors: Type 241 radar Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 300 360 -- Med: 430 480 -- High: 430 520 -- Ceiling: 12800 meters Engine Type: TJ Cruise Range: 2785 nmi Int Fuel: 36300 kg Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 9000 kg Off Guns: 1 fixed Type 23-2 23mm in nose (1.4) Def Guns: 3 twin Type 23-2 23mm in defensive turrets (0.8) • 16 Type 50 or 16 Type 100 or 16 Type 250-2 or 12 Type 500-1/2 or 4 Type 1500-1 or 4 1000-1 or 2 Type 3000-1 bombs • 2 AKD-63 or 2 AKD-63B, AKK-802K guidance pod (H-6H, H-6M) • 2 AKD-20, 1 KG-600 ECM, 1 KL-700 ES pods (H-6M only) • 8 1000 kg bombs (use Russian FAB-1000M43) • 1 H639 or 3 H524-23 nuclear bombs • 12 500 kg or 4 1000 kg sea mines • 4 Yu-2 torpedoes • 1 WZ-8 drone (H-6MW only) Remarks: In Svc: 1971 One Tu-16H and one T-16K imported from Russia, later converted to nuclear role for 1965 and 1967 nuclear tests, later converted back. 120 delivered 1970 - 1987 with 8th, 10th, 36th, 48th Bomber Divisions, H-6C/E/F/H have 2985 nmi range due to redesigned wings. PLANAF used H-6C and H-6F. All variants used by PLAAF. • H-6A: Stats as above. Has optical bombsight, limited to bombing targets in visual LOS. Updated to H-6AII from 1980. • H-6AII: Fitted with all weather avionics, Type 244 radar, Type 211 tail GFC, rear aspect Gen 0 RWR over 090°-270° and to blind bomb area targets. In service 1982. • H-6Z: Three H-6A aircraft converted in 1979 to reconnaissance role. • H-6C (initially H-6III) -6AII with 1st Gen J&D, Type 244 radar, all aspect Gen 0 RWR. In service late 1983. • H-6E: H-6AII upgraded with computing bombsight, 2nd Gen J&D. Nose 23mm and dorsal twin 23mm removed (0.6). In service 1994. • H-6F: H-6A/C aircraft converted with computing bombsight, 2nd Gen J&D, conventional weapons only, nose 23mm removed. In service 1994. • H-6H: H-6F conversions with Type 245 radar. All guns removed. Fitted with internal control link for AKD-63. In service 2005. • H-6I: Planned version of H-6A with four turbofan engines, cruise range 3700 nmi, damage value 67. Canceled 1978 due to failure of WS-9 engines. • H-6M: has HP for four land attack cruise missiles, Type 245 radar, 2nd Gen J&D, 2nd Gen RWR, retains bomb capability. Retains tail turret (0.6). Requires AKK-802K pod to guide AKD-63. In service 2007, modified from H-6F. • H-6MW: PLAAF H-6M conversions for WZ-8 drone on CL replacing bomb bay. Possibly in service 2019. • H-6Z: Three aircraft converted in 1979 to reconnaissance role. • HD-6: ELINT version with all weapons removed. In service late 1990s. • HG-6: Escort jammer variant with 2nd Gen RWR (can only jam weapons radars). Clutter rating 12. In service 1983. • 1971 - 86: Around 140 H-6A delivered. • Mid 90s: Retired from nuclear bomber role. • 2011: H-6E/F 107th; H-6H 22nd, 28th, 29th, 144th; H-6H/M 108th regiments. • 2014: H-6H fitted with 2nd Gen J&D, 2nd Gen RWR. • 2015: H-A/AII/E/F withdrawn from frontline service, used for training. • 2018?: H-6H deployment to Woody Island. • 2019: 120 of all types in service with PLAAF. • 2021: PLAAF regiments. CTC - 107th H-6K/H Lintong, 108th H-6K/M Wugong; ETC - 29th H-6H at Luhe, 30th H-6M/MW at Luhe. H-6D/G/L [Badger] Attack Man Rtng: 0.5/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Ballistic Counterm: 1st Gen J&D Inflight Refuel: N Sensors: Type 245 radar, Gen 0 RWR Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 300 360 -- Med: 430 480 -- High: 430 520 -- Ceiling: 12000 meters Engine Type: TJ Cruise Range: 2945 nmi Int Fuel: 36300 kg Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 8000 kg Def Guns: 3 twin Type 23-2H 23mm in defensive turrets (1.3) • 2 YJ-6 (H-6D) • 2 YJ-61 (H-6D, mid 90s) • 4 YJ-83K or 4 AKD-88 (H-6G) • 2 YJ-83K or 2 AKD-88, ES pod, standoff jammer pod (H-6G) • 2 YJ-12, 1 KG-600 ECM, 1 KL-700 ES pod (H-6L) • 12 500 kg or 4 1000 kg sea mines • 16 Type 250-2 or 12 Type 500-2 or 6 Type 1500-2 or 2 Type 3000-2 bombs Remarks: In Svc: Dec 85 Retains conventional bombing capability. PLANAF only. • H-6D: Around 30 delivered by 1992, possibly retired 2010. Four of these exported to Iraq as B-5D. • H-6G: 24-30 H-6F with 2nd Gen J&D, 2nd Gen RWR. All guns removed. Replaces H-6D. In service 2002 with ETCN and STCN. • H-6L: H-6G conversions with provision of YJ-12. In service Feb 19. • 1990s: Eight H-6D converted to tanker, listed separately. • 2011: Three regiments - H-6G at Danyang East; H-6D/G, H-6DU at Shanhaigun and Guiping. • 2013 or 2014: H-6G operational with YJ-12, as H-6L loadout. • 2011: Two regiments - H-6G, H-6DU at Shanhaigun and Guiping. • 2018: H-6Gs seen with underwing defensive ECM pods. • 2018: Regiments - 17th H-6G/H-6DU at Cangzhou ETCN, 23rd H-6G/H-6DU at Guiping STCN. • 2019: 30 remain. H-6J/K/N Bomber Man Rtng: 1.0/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Advanced Counterm: 3rd Gen J&D(e) Inflight Refuel: N Sensors: H-6K Radar, 2nd Gen FLIR, 2nd Gen RWR Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 340 370 -- Med: 470 490 -- High: 470 530 -- Ceiling: e13000 meters Engine Type: TF Cruise Range: 3900 nmi Int Fuel: c38580 kg Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 12000 kg • 6 AKD-20 (H-6K/N) • 1 NORINCO 'MOAB' bomb, 2 pods • 4 AKD-63 or 4 AKD-63B, AKK-802K guidance pod, 2 pods (H-6K) • 4 AKD-20 or 4 AKD-63 or 4 AKD-63B, 2 pods (H-6N) • 6 YJ-12 or 6 YJ-83K, 2 pods (H-6J) • 4 YJ-12, 2 pods (H-6K/N) • 1 CH-AS-X-13 or 1 WZ-8, 2 pods (H-6N) • 36 Type 250-3/-4 or 12 Type 500-3/-4 bombs externally • 16 Type 250-2 or 12 Type 500-2 or 6 Type 1500-2 or 2 Type 3000-2 bombs internally • 12 500 kg or 4 1000 kg sea mines (estimated) Remarks: In Svc: Oct 09 Re-engined with Russian D-30KP TF replacing the original Chinese engines. Composite materials used in the structure, glass cockpit. Tail stinger replaced by electronics. Speeds and range estimated. Pods are either KL-700 ES, KG-600 ECM or KG-800 escort jammer pods. Can probably carry bombs and mines as the H-6D/G/L. • H-6J: PLANAF antishipping. In service 2018, with eight with 1st Regiment Guiping STCN by Jan 2019, 5th Regiment Changzhou in ETCN in 2019. • H-6K: PLAAF cruise missile carrier. 28th Regiment Anqing ETC Mid 12, 24th Regiment Leiyang STC Mid 12, 29th Regiment Luhe ETC 2013, 22nd Regiment Shaodong STC 2015, 108th Regiment H-6K/M Wugong CTC 2017. Each regiment has approximately 20 a/c. • H-6N: PLAAF. Fitted with inflight refueling probe, 4th Gen J&D, internal guidance link for AKD-63. Bomb bay replaced by semi-conformal mount for CH-AS-X-13 ASBM. Possibly in service 2018. At least 4 in Aug 2019 with 106th Brigade PLAAF HQ Command. • 2015: About 15 H-6K in service. • 2016: H-6K assessed as dual-capable with nuclear armed AKD-20. • Dec 16: Seen with @6 250 kg on each of its six wing HP. Also shown firing AKD-63, AKD-88 (w/guidance pod). • 2018: ETC - 28th H-6K Anqing; STC - 22nd H-6K Shaodong, 24th H-6K Leiyang. • Jan 19: H-6K test drops NORINCO 'MOAB'. • Apr 20: H-6J seen with YJ-12. Around 60 H-6K operational in three regiments. • Aug 20: First reported H-6J deployments to Woody Island. • Late 20: H-6KG with 4th Gen J&D delivered to 24th Regiment as mixed H-6K/KG unit. • 2021: Possibly WS-18 engines replace D-30KP. H-6U, H-6DU [Badger] Tanker Man Rtng: 0.5/0.5 Damage Value: 47 Size/Signature: Large/Large Bombsight: Ballistic Counterm: 2nd Gen D Inflight Refuel: N/2D Sensors: Type 245 radar (H-6DU only) Throttle Setting/Speed in knots Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat Low: 300 360 -- Med: 430 480 -- High: 430 520 -- Ceiling: 12800 meters Engine Type: TJ Cruise Range: 2920 nmi Int Fuel: 36300 kg Remarks: In Svc: 1996 12 H-6U with PLAAF, sometimes called HY-6 and HU-6. 8 H-6DU or HU-6D with PLANAF converted from H-6D in Changzhou ETCN and Guiping STCN. Maximum transfer fuel is 18500 kg or 1750 nmi. Cannot refuel J-15, J-16 or Su-30MKK series due to incompatible hose and drogue system. • 2001: PLAAF 143rd renamed 23rd Regiment. • 2016-18: Fitted with 2nd Generation RWR and 3rd Generation decoys by this date. PLAAF H-6U at STC Leiyang with 23rd Brigade. • 2019: Five PLANAF remain. The main question here before we get to the technical issues, are if you saw a Tu-16 and an H-6 sitting on the flight line without any markings how hard would it be to tell them apart? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 4 hours ago, upyr1 said: The main question here before we get to the technical issues, are if you saw a Tu-16 and an H-6 sitting on the flight line without any markings how hard would it be to tell them apart? Please no... H-6 Tu-16 Excesive diferences... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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