Please help me understand what's important when looking for a new CPU for DCS

[kksnowbear]

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Oh, so now that you lost on CPU costs, you bring in the cost of the whole system

LMAO Whatever.  I didn't "lose" on anything.  The chart I posted shows that very clearly.

Simple: You stated CPU prices don't drop over time.  I showed factual data that proves you're wrong.  (Then of course, the usual ton of drivel trying to qualify you didn't say what the quotes prove you did say).

If anyone "lost", well...lol it ain't me.

And again, leave the personal insults out of it.  Find one person I've done business with that isn't happy with what they got.  Oh, wait...you can't

Seriously, leave the personal attacks about me and my business out of it.  Let's debate the issue on the merit of the facts.  And the facts in this case (see the chart) show you're wrong.

Incidentally, below is the same chart with some annotations; let's assume for a moment you're right (just for the sake of discussion).  The red box indicates the area of what you call 'lunatic fringe' drop off.  The orange box roughly illustrates - as a guess - where it seems you feel the CPU is 'obsolete' (since last year; around 18 months after release).  Even if we exclude those two regions entirely, the price can still be seen decreasing in the time between the two.  In fact, the blue oval shows where the biggest drop in price was  - and it's not during either of the periods you exclude:  It dropped by ~$100 a year after release (i.e. no 'lunatic fringe') and roughly a full year before the 14500 was ever released.  Way before anyone would call it obsolete (although maybe you can find an authoritative reference showing a 12700k was obsolete in winter 22/23).

In fact, during the time since the 14500 was released, it's more or less hit and stayed at $240, while the 12700k has dropped even further, to less than $200 at times (purple box).  So, $190 for a CPU that performs better (and doesn't possibly destroy itself)...or 26% more for one that performs less (and who knows lol)?

Now I'll quote myself:

21 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

Balderdash.  Depends on what you buy, when, and from where/whom.

And, well...it does.

Edited August 20, 2024 by kksnowbear

[LucShep]

19 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

They do eventually drop off in long term, but by that point, they're basically obsolete. So if you want to quibble, yes, they do drop off. At a point when they're not worth actually buying even at that reduced price. Yes, you can get a 12700K for $200, it's even in stock on Amazon. Would you recommend anyone to base their build on that one in 2024?

Huh what??  Are you crazy? 

Would I recommend an Intel i7 12700K in 2024 for 200$, brand new?

...which works with Z690 and Z790 motherboards, both available for DDR5 and DDR4 RAM ? (i.e, you can reuse your older RAM!)
...which is faster most of the time than the newer AMD AM5 Ryzen 7700X, 7800X and 9700X, for considerably less money ?
...a 170W Intel "K" 12-core (8/16 P + 4 E) that also overclocks like a champ, even with a simple $40.00 dual-tower air cooler ? (TR Peerless Assassin, Phantom Spirit, etc) 
...and hasn't any of this recent degradation BS ?

Frak yeah, of course I do!!!  a million times!

Best processor for the money, by far and large (it's not even close!).
This is coming from someone who has repeatedly done top builds with the ultra hyped 13900K, 13700K, 14700K, 5800X3D and 7800X3D, among others - the i7 12700K is an absolute gem, and the most overlooked and underrated CPU in this "yutuberzz-influencerzz" biased market. Makes the 5800X3D absolutely atrocious in price/performance.
And similar can be said for the i9 12900K (another gem, though this one is still noticeably dearer than the i7 12700K).

So much so that I put my money where my mouth is, and brought one last year for myself. (170$ from used market, and a Z690 TUF D4 for 140$)
So good in fact that I don't really see any point worth in upgrading yet. 

Edited August 20, 2024 by LucShep

[kksnowbear]

1 minute ago, LucShep said:

Huh what??  Are you crazy? 

An Intel i7 12700K for 200$, brand new?

...which works with Z690 and Z790 motherboards, both for DDR5 and DDR4 ?  (i.e, you can reuse your older RAM!!)
...which is faster most of the time than the AMD AM5 7700X, 9700X and 7800X, for considerably less money ?
...a 170W Intel "K" that overclocks like a champ even with a simple dual-tower air cooler ?
...and hasn't any of this recent degradation BS ?

Frak yeah, Of course I do!!!  a million times!

Best processor for the money, by far and large (it's not even close!).
This is coming from someone who has repeatedly done builts with the ultra hyped 13900K, 13700K, 14700K, 5800X3D and 7800X3D, among others - the i7 12700K is an absolutel gem and the most overlooked and underrated CPU in this market. Makes even the 5800X3D absolutely atrocious in price/performance.
And similar said for the i9 12900K (though this one is still noticeably dearer than the i7 12700K).

So much so that I put my money where my mouth is, and brought one last year for myself (170$ from used market).
So good that I don't really see any point worth in upgrading yet. 

+1

And this is why I actually have several in the shop I'm working with currently.

(I guess that about covers the question of it being 'obsolete' lol)

[PimpFinger]

I didn't read through the whole thread or see in OP what gpu you had.  I have an 8700k myself though overclocked to around 5.2 with 64GB RAM and a 3900 I get a pretty solid 70+ FPS using a Quest 3.  I still want to upgrade but it doesn't feel necessary at this point.  I'd also rather wait till prices come down on current gen stuff or intel pops out a consumer quantum cpu next year.  (The last part is a joke). I can fly rotary aircraft very aggressively without fear of losing frames.  I just need to get a link cable now as I've been running an extension cord up the back of my chair to plug in quest.  this works well for constant gaming but occasional crap out over wifi link.