MMS modes and submodes, scenarios for use?

[Amarok_73]

Hello,

I would really appreciate if anyone with such knowledge would be so nice to summarize for me shortly, in what scenarios which MMS mode/submode should be employed.

Edited June 9, 2024 by Amarok_73

[Guille H. Mono]

I don't know if this 13 minutes video fits in the 'summarize shortly' but it may be a good start point. Hope it helps!

 

[Amarok_73]

Hi @Guille H. Mono, thanks for the answer but I saw already this video and to be strict, while I am easy with modes, it's still unclear to me what are functional differences between submodes, all these little crosses, diamonds, and smaller or bigger frames related related to them.

Also I have noticed some inconsistency (?), that I couldn't find the explanation in the documentation related to when the offset cross (or more general pointer) can be moved, vs when it is fixed to the center of the MMS image.

[Guille H. Mono]

Sorry I've not get there myself. I will keep an eye on this post and if I find something more detailed that can help us I will share it.

 

 

[Rhinozherous]

3 hours ago, Amarok_73 said:

Hi @Guille H. Mono, thanks for the answer but I saw already this video and to be strict, while I am easy with modes, it's still unclear to me what are functional differences between submodes, all these little crosses, diamonds, and smaller or bigger frames related related to them.

Also I have noticed some inconsistency (?), that I couldn't find the explanation in the documentation related to when the offset cross (or more general pointer) can be moved, vs when it is fixed to the center of the MMS image.

 

At this time (still learning) I use FWD mode when on the way to the tgt - Mode Selector to FWD, then push MAN/SLAVE btn to get the MMS looking fwd. You always see the active mode/submode on the bottom middle part of the MMS display. 

When I am in range to a tgt I use MAN/SLAVE to search for tgts, or if I have a waypoint where the tgt is expected I use PRE-POINT mode. You have to select the point to slew via R2 button named PPT. After that every time you use MAN/SLAVE you change between slewing the MMS to the selected waypoint and beeing able to slew yourself. 

Offset Mode - When you select a tgt with POINT TRACK it slews most of the time a bit above the tgt (laser guided wpns may miss). You have to push POINT TRACK again to get in OFFSET ACQUIRE mode - now you can slew the little cross to a point on the tgt where the wpn may hit the tgt. After this you have to push POINT TRACK btn AGAIN to get in OFFSET TRACK mode. Now the MMS tracks the tgt still in POINT TRACK but with a better aiming point for the laser. 

Hope this helps! Have fun! 

Edited June 10, 2024 by Rhinozherous

[Marshallman]

For the APKWSS... does anyone know if there is a way of raising or lowering the nose in hover to get the plus or minus 10deg reticule

or do you have to do this manually?

regards

 

Edited June 10, 2024 by Marshallman

[One Eyed Ross]

Speaking of MMS.  I have seem some videos with the MMS not attached.  I can't find this when I look for it.  Am I missing something, or are those videos from the pre-release version that had a "without MMS" skin?

[LorenLuke]

19 minutes ago, One Eyed Ross said:

Speaking of MMS.  I have seem some videos with the MMS not attached.  I can't find this when I look for it.  Am I missing something, or are those videos from the pre-release version that had a "without MMS" skin?

Mission Editor option.

[One Eyed Ross]

Thank you!

[Amarok_73]

On 6/10/2024 at 10:22 AM, Rhinozherous said:

You have to push POINT TRACK again to get in OFFSET ACQUIRE mode - now you can slew the little cross to a point on the tgt where the wpn may hit the tgt.

I've had feelings that I have confirmed yesterday, that this part is not always work as supposed to. Most of the times, it is like, I am pressing second (and third and even fourth) time the POINT TRACK, but small cross is stuck to the center of the larger one.
Can anyone confirm my observation? Is it feature, or bug?

[LorenLuke]

6 minutes ago, Amarok_73 said:

I've had feelings that I have confirmed yesterday, that this part is not always work as supposed to. Most of the times, it is like, I am pressing second (and third and even fourth) time the POINT TRACK, but small cross is stuck to the center of the larger one.
Can anyone confirm my observation? Is it feature, or bug?

It seems to be that happens after slaving in Pre-Point mode. I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but this seems to cause the offset acquire and acquire on the move cursors to not move when attempting to slew. If you turn your MMS off and back on, it seems to clear whatever logic or variable is causing this behavior to be blocked.

We'll see if this is fixed in the next patch, as I'm relatively certain it's a bug.

[Amarok_73]

@LorenLuke Thanks for this information and confirmation of my suspicion.

[Rhinozherous]

Experienced the same, looks like a bug. 

I linked this post to the Bugs and problems section. 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Rhinozherous