PawlaczGMD Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 Many have noticed that the F-4 can take quite a few missiles and keep flying. In particular, I've put 2x R-60 good rear hits into an F-4 a couple of times, and it stayed in the air with no fires or visible damage. Obviously the damage from a missile is not clear-cut, but the F-4 is very noticeably stronger than similar airframes, that basically never survive a missile hit. I can't say if it's realistic, but it definitely is not consistent with other modules. Maybe consider looking into it?
Zabuzard Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 The R60 is one of the weakest missiles. I can't comment on other aircraft but our research on the Phantom shows that most such missile hits wouldn't lead to the aircraft exploding and spitting fire everywhere. Especially if its not a direct hit but misses by a few feet and then airbursts next to it.Its ofc quite dynamic and depends on a lot of factors. In practice, if you got a Phantom with a missile and it didn't explode, you can most likely expect that the aircraft has to disengage and fly home anyways because that missile failed like 500 things in the aircraft (from the 1500+ damagable components).Meaning, just because it doesn't explode, doesnt mean the threat has not been defeated. 3 3
ricktoberfest Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 16 hours ago, Zabuzard said: The R60 is one of the weakest missiles. I can't comment on other aircraft but our research on the Phantom shows that most such missile hits wouldn't lead to the aircraft exploding and spitting fire everywhere. Especially if its not a direct hit but misses by a few feet and then airbursts next to it. Its ofc quite dynamic and depends on a lot of factors. In practice, if you got a Phantom with a missile and it didn't explode, you can most likely expect that the aircraft has to disengage and fly home anyways because that missile failed like 500 things in the aircraft (from the 1500+ damagable components). Meaning, just because it doesn't explode, doesnt mean the threat has not been defeated. speaking as one who’s been hit by those missiles, I might be in the air, but I’m doing everything I can to stay there. I might be able to hit the burners and fly away but I’m no longer fighting and may not be able to land 4
Iron Sights Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 From what I’ve read, the Phantom could take a hit, but bear in mind that doesn’t mean you might not be ejecting later.
Kalasnkova74 Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/22/2024 at 12:40 AM, PawlaczGMD said: Many have noticed that the F-4 can take quite a few missiles and keep flying. In particular, I've put 2x R-60 good rear hits into an F-4 a couple of times, and it stayed in the air with no fires or visible damage. Obviously the damage from a missile is not clear-cut, but the F-4 is very noticeably stronger than similar airframes, that basically never survive a missile hit. I can't say if it's realistic, but it definitely is not consistent with other modules. Maybe consider looking into it? In real life combat, the F-4 Phantom II was fairly durable and IMO is modeled correctly in game. The jet has six fuel tanks (+1 reserve in the F-4E), foam fire reduction fuel tank lining in the F-4E , two primary hydraulic systems, two generators, two engines, and (as the Showtime 110 crew employed) could still be controlled via the utility hydraulics even if the primary and secondary were depleted. For example, this F-4D was hit by AAA and still recovered with the arrestor hook . Source: https://www.f-4phantom.com/no-backseater/ This Iranian F-4E ate a proximity fuse Sparrow hit in the tail and still made it back to base. Source: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-story-of-the-us-navy-f-14-tomcat-pilot-that-scored-an-aim-7-sparrow-soft-kill-on-an-iranian-f-4-attacking-a-us-navy-p-3-and-saved-the-lives-of-the-orion-crew/amp/ Suffice it to say if an F-4E could take a Sparrow hit IRL and survive , surviving an R-60 isn’t a bug.
Dragon1-1 Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 (edited) In this particular picture, it wasn't the backseater who pulled the cord - the shell set off the charges in the seat and punched poor Jeb Stuart (the GIB) out of the plane. Poor guy didn't make it, sadly, parachuted into the trees at Mu Gia pass and died before PJs could reach him. His AC did make it back to Ubon, at least. The Wolfpack later went back, Olds dropped a wreath out of landing gear door (the guy was from his squadron, FG is the Satan's Angels tailcode), and then bombed the crap out of that gun site. Or so the story goes. They even wrote a song about the whole incident. Edited June 23, 2024 by Dragon1-1 2
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