MSAA not working...hideous shimmering!

[MAXsenna]

Was using 4xMSAA for years, with tremendous shimmering. Finally fixed my issues with getting DLAA to work last fall. Never looked back.

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[kl_koral]

sorry, but this thread is now making circles...
fixing MSAA for this issue is still worth it: DLSS nor DLAA is not a solution due to:
1: for AMD users DLAA is no option
2: for cold war and dogfights all TAA solutions are leading to ghosting or even dissapearing bandits, and no VID of targets due to smearing and ghosting

Edited April 23 by kl_koral

[MAXsenna]

sorry, but this thread is now making circles...
fixing MSAA for this issue is still worth it: DLSS nor DLAA is not a solution due to:
1: for AMD users DLAA is no option
2: for cold war and dogfights all TAA solutions are leading to ghosting or even dissapearing bandits, and no VID of targets due to smearing and ghosting

You are correct! I should really have written that I GAVE UP on MSAA due to it not working, (don't really notice a difference between 2/4x), and the horrendous shimmering. This really makes DLAA just a workaround for me. And it locks out AMD and other GPU users. And even me in a sense. I believe many users wants to swap vendor, but that's impossible for me now.
Cheers!


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[pjbunnyru]

switched to dlss and preset j
there is blurines sometimes, but in general it works qite well.
msaa - my eyes were already starting to twitch from flikering.
however, if u record video in this format, then in resulting frames u can slightli see squares and subsquares in this.

[kl_koral]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb MAXsenna:

And it locks out AMD and other GPU users

its not only this... its the fact that you can't dogfight or play a cold war scenario with any sort of TAA... Its a very powerful AA but the bandits are to small in the distance and this leads to smearing and ghosting even completely dissappearing.
But you need to spot the bandid visually and keep eye contact for VID (IFF) and during a fight and if the bandit flies over forrest he'll be gone.

Thats my main point. Performance is another picture but I play 1080p. I guess DLSS TAA works better if you have more pixels to work with...

[MAXsenna]

its not only this... its the fact that you can't dogfight or play a cold war scenario with any sort of TAA... Its a very powerful AA but the bandits are to small in the distance and this leads to smearing and ghosting even completely dissappearing.
But you need to spot the bandid visually and keep eye contact for VID (IFF) and during a fight and if the bandit flies over forrest he'll be gone.

Thats my main point. Performance is another picture but I play 1080p. I guess DLSS TAA works better if you have more pixels to work with...

Right, I didn't consider that as I don't have that issue at all. I play with dots off and the spotting is not bad at all. Was way worse before. At least for me. 30", 2560x1600.

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[kl_koral]

I have a 6700xt which should handle 1440p but I have a 1080p monitor. super sampling could be an option but I didn't find out how to zoom back (1440p) on that monitor everything gets very small. And reducing back I fear the dots and spotting will have same issues as they get filtered just as during TAA processing.... I don't see a silver bullet here..
As for the F5 I think they could just reduce the reflection or transparency on the black surfaces. This I think xould reduce the problem.

For now I'm back on MSAAx2 because its somewhat broken and MSAAx4 looks just the same for me.

There was one update that broke it. But I don't remember when it happened... I'm getting used to it somewhat because its highly complex to maintain such old code and its looking very good for that legecy engine and also driver updates can do their thing too....

[Bucic]

4 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

You are correct! I should really have written that I GAVE UP on MSAA due to it not working, (don't really notice a difference between 2/4x), and the horrendous shimmering. This really makes DLAA just a workaround for me. And it locks out AMD and other GPU users. And even me in a sense. I believe many users wants to swap vendor, but that's impossible for me now.
Cheers!


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Funny thing is MSAA got featured in the latest Wags's video on DTC, I'm pretty certain.

Edited April 23 by Bucic

[MAXsenna]

Funny thing is MSAA got featured in the latest Wags's video on DTC, I'm pretty certain.

Well, might try it again then.

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[Daemoc]

1 hour ago, Bucic said:

Funny thing is MSAA got featured in the latest Wags's video on DTC, I'm pretty certain.

Yeah, you can clearly see the AA is broken in that video, but only on contrasting lines with a shallow depth. The outline of the F-18 in relation to the background looks like it is indeed working properly.

I wonder if it is something as simple as a wrong setting or broken depth buffer?

[Bucic]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Well, might try it again then.

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By featured I meant the pixels were at the center stage

 

[PawlaczGMD]

Yeah, MSAA does absolutely nothing for me, no difference between off and x4. I have an AMD card so DLSS is not an option, FSR sucks as it produces ghosting and blur, TAA also produces blur on moving targets. These are not usable if you want to see in visual range.

I will try to force it through AMD Adrenalin when I have some time to play with it.

[PawlaczGMD]

So I set Override application, x8 EQ adaptive MS in AMD adrenalin, and the game looks a lot better. AMD users should play with these settings outside of the game. Since a few updates ago, the in-game settings don't seem to even work.

[smik]

On 5/12/2025 at 4:18 AM, PawlaczGMD said:

So I set Override application, x8 EQ adaptive MS in AMD adrenalin, and the game looks a lot better. AMD users should play with these settings outside of the game. Since a few updates ago, the in-game settings don't seem to even work.

Do you have MSAA off in DCS?

[kl_koral]

Am 12.5.2025 um 04:18 schrieb PawlaczGMD:

So I set Override application, x8 EQ adaptive MS in AMD adrenalin, and the game looks a lot better. AMD users should play with these settings outside of the game. Since a few updates ago, the in-game settings don't seem to even work.

I will aso try to override. What are your settings in adrenalin and DCS?

[PawlaczGMD]

8 hours ago, smik said:

Do you have MSAA off in DCS?

I left it on, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I'll try off tomorrow, maybe performance will be better.

5 hours ago, kl_koral said:

I will aso try to override. What are your settings in adrenalin and DCS?

In adrenalin I have only the settings I specified, in DCS generally high graphics settings.

[Bucic]

2 hours ago, PawlaczGMD said:

I left it on, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I'll try off tomorrow, maybe performance will be better.

In adrenalin I have only the settings I specified, in DCS generally high graphics settings.

Whenever I test those things I start by comparing "game only" vs "nVcpl only." This makes it easier to troubleshoot.

[PawlaczGMD]

On 5/13/2025 at 5:31 PM, Bucic said:

Whenever I test those things I start by comparing "game only" vs "nVcpl only." This makes it easier to troubleshoot.

I set the DCS AA to off, makes no visible difference. I'm trying different options in Adrenalin now. 8x supersampling looks really good overall, but doesn't work well on high aspect / thin straight lines like masts and airfield paint lines. It can cause small targets to shimmer, but that at least helps with spotting. It also is quite costly in performance.  It's definitely worth it to play with these options and see what works on your hardware if the game doesn't look good by default. The best for me would be some TAA implementation that makes moving targets look better. Currently TAA/ upscaling with AMD is unusable if you want to spot planes WVR in combat.

[kl_koral]

Am 19.5.2025 um 08:01 schrieb PawlaczGMD:

I set the DCS AA to off, makes no visible difference. I'm trying different options in Adrenalin now. 8x supersampling looks really good overall, but doesn't work well on high aspect / thin straight lines like masts and airfield paint lines. It can cause small targets to shimmer, but that at least helps with spotting. It also is quite costly in performance.  It's definitely worth it to play with these options and see what works on your hardware if the game doesn't look good by default. The best for me would be some TAA implementation that makes moving targets look better. Currently TAA/ upscaling with AMD is unusable if you want to spot planes WVR in combat.

When I turn in Game MSAA off, its really off. No Adrenalin setting changed it. How did you set the AMD driver to override the settings?

[PawlaczGMD]

19 hours ago, kl_koral said:

When I turn in Game MSAA off, its really off. No Adrenalin setting changed it. How did you set the AMD driver to override the settings?

this menu

[UnderTaker2003]

On 5/28/2025 at 5:59 AM, PawlaczGMD said:

this menu

Been there done that...the only way to get rid of shimmering on AMD GPUs is to use dlss swapper.

https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/757