Mission 2 requesting advice and some potential help to others

[RafaPolit]

As always, thanks for this incredible mission.  So much fun!  Quite a bit to do.

I was wondering, how do you guys fly the mission's night scenario to ensure you are in formation with Weasel 33?  Are you just that good at flying formation, or are there tricks to get better SA?

For me:
- NVGs all the time ON
- While Weasel 33 is within a few yards, all is good
- If I trail a bit, a quick radar lock gives good results, but I think that radar locking a friendly is probably not ideal...
- If I radar lock him, I am also completely useless in terms of picking up radar bogeys, as the radar is locked at 5NM
- If I TMS-up on the HMS page, I get the octagon to keep tags on the subject, which works great when moving "straight", but when they start turning, the octagon's speed of refresh is just not good enough
- Any other means? Do you just fly "loosely" towards the endpoints and don't worry about staying 1NM within Weasel 33?

As for the mission, I actually flew it twice, the first one the TANKER never replied to radio calls and I was unable to refuel, got out of fuel and crashed trying to communicate with the TANKER.  Here's my potential help, maybe even a "Developer's Note" worth it?  Since this is the first mission that requires DCS comms, "reminding" pilots about the non-easy comms and its implications may be useful?  As it was, I was just hitting the \ and calling the TANKER. With easy comms off, this doesn't work, and although DCS gives you the chance to make the call, you are using the wrong radio.  You need to RALT+\ in order to actually use PRI and call the TANKER.  I had completely forgot about that and waisted the entire mission.

 

Spoiler

I wasn't all that bad, as I had forgot to set my Laser code for the first GBU-12 and waisted it completely, so my second run I was able to destroy 3 air defenses, which was very fulfilling.

Also, I was a bit concerned when I landed that the mission didn't end at the end of the runway like mission 1 and had to force myself to breathe as I went inside the hangar to see the mission end as expected with 100 points to show for it :). So, hang in there!

Again, great mission, I'm enjoying the campaign very much!

Best,

Rafa.

Edited July 18, 2024 by RafaPolit

[ricktoberfest]

I tried both radios but never got a response from the tanker. Thankfully i had enough fuel to land. I also had a hard time following weasel 3-3 unless I locked him on tws. It’s fine when I was in close formation, but hard to distinguish him from the other f16s unless you’ve managed to stay with him right from takeoff.  

[RafaPolit]

Exactly, I had to resolve to F10 a couple of times to figure out which one was him.  Maybe I need to learn how to use the IFF and data link in the new implementations. 
 

For the tanker, you also need to be on PRI 12 when 3-3 commands the change of frequency.  And using radio 1, f course.

 

edit: these are shortcomings as a pilot and navigator, I’m not complaining about the mission, I’m sure this is exactly the type of ability pilots need to learn.

Edited July 19, 2024 by RafaPolit

[Sawyer]

I had similar issues with the tanker, the boom remained in the up position, and the refuelling complete prompt on the right hand side disappeared with the sound of a radio clicking.

[CH4Pz]

i fly with dots, look for the blue dot on his own (im aware its cheating), they were absolutely hauling though, an he must have a faster mil power than me, cuz i was against the stop and he was pulling away, so had to keep hitting AB occasionally. That damn laser code got me too, i just rage quit it, knowing exactly where i stuffed up!! Cant believe guys do this for real though, theyre nutcases!!

[intruder11]

> If I trail a bit, a quick radar lock gives good results, but I think that radar locking a friendly is probably not ideal...

Radar locking your wingman is a real world technique for SA and rejoining.

[baltic_dragon]

Having said all that, there are issues with tankers in DCS right now, though mostly with the AI flight members refusing to connect or choosing to fly somewhere into the distance... keep me posted on how things are going and enjoy the campaign!

[Milker]

Hi!

Well, just my two cents, try to rise your gamma settings on options menu to 2,8 - 3,0 during night! You can change it while still flying  .

Cheers

Oh, about tankers. Make sure u have the correct TACAN and see what it works, be sure to have the correct radio channel on Pri.

Going to mission 5 and no problems with tankers so far... but we never know  .

Cheers

[happyhappy]

On 2024/7/19 at 午前7時43分, RafaPolit said:

いつものように、この素晴らしいミッションに感謝します。とても楽しいです！やるべきことがたくさんあります。

疑問に思ったのですが、皆さんは Weasel 33 と編隊を組んでいることを確認するために、ミッションの夜間シナリオをどのように飛行していますか? 編隊飛行が得意なだけですか、それとも SA を向上させるコツがありますか?

私の場合:
- NVG は常にオン
- Weasel 33 が数ヤード以内にいる間はすべて順調
- 少し遅れてレーダーを素早くロックすると良い結果が得られますが、友軍をレーダーでロックするのはおそらく理想的ではないと思います...
- レーダーをロックすると、レーダーが 5NM でロックされているため、レーダー ボギーを検出するという点でもまったく役に立たなくなります
- HMS ページで TMS を有効にすると、八角形が対象にタグを保持します。これは「まっすぐ」移動しているときはうまく機能しますが、旋回を開始すると、八角形の更新速度が十分ではありません
- 他の方法はありますか? エンドポイントに向かって「緩やかに」飛行し、Weasel 33 から 1NM 以内にとどまることを気にしないのですか?

ミッションに関しては、実際に 2 回飛行しました。最初の飛行では、TANKER は無線呼び出しに応答せず、私は給油できず、燃料切れになり、TANKER と通信しようとして墜落しました。ここに、私の潜在的な助けがあります。おそらく「開発者のメモ」も価値があるでしょう。これは DCS 通信を必要とする最初のミッションなので、パイロットに非簡単な通信とその影響について「思い出させる」ことは役立つでしょうか。実際、私は \ を押して TANKER を呼び出していました。簡単な通信がオフになっていると、これは機能しません。DCS では電話をかける機会が与えられますが、間違った無線を使用しています。実際に PRI を使用して TANKER を呼び出すには、RALT+\ を押す必要があります。私はそれを完全に忘れていて、ミッション全体を無駄にしました。

 

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私はそれほど悪くはなかったです。最初の GBU-12 のレーザー コードを設定するのを忘れて完全に無駄にしてしまったので、2 回目の実行では 3 つの防空軍を破壊することができ、とても満足できました。

また、着陸時にミッションがミッション 1 のように滑走路の端で終了しないので少し心配になり、格納庫に入ってミッションが予想どおりに終了し、100 ポイントを獲得するのを見るために無理やり息をつく必要がありました:)。だから、頑張ってください!

もう一度言いますが、素晴らしいミッションです。キャンペーンをとても楽しんでいます!

最高、

ラファ。

 

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