No FFB???

[average_pilot]

You can use simffb as a temporary solution. At least you'll have centering force and trim force emulation.

GitHub - joeyjojojunior/simFFB

[dresoccer4]

On 9/16/2024 at 6:30 AM, average_pilot said:

You can use simffb as a temporary solution. At least you'll have centering force and trim force emulation.

GitHub - joeyjojojunior/simFFB

actual force trim? or is it simulated. like does the center position change based on the actual center positon in the helo?

[MAXsenna]

actual force trim? or is it simulated. like does the center position change based on the actual center positon in the helo?

simFFB will keep the stick where you trim it. Mind you I used to use simFFB with the UH-60L community module, but I had to stop using the in game trim button, or trim would double which each button press. Haven't tried with the CH-47F.

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[dresoccer4]

On 9/17/2024 at 3:25 PM, MAXsenna said:

simFFB will keep the stick where you trim it. Mind you I used to use simFFB with the UH-60L community module, but I had to stop using the in game trim button, or trim would double which each button press. Haven't tried with the CH-47F.

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if it can simulate a helo trim, that would be a literal game changer for the CH-47. will have to experiment next time i'm home

[MAXsenna]

if it can simulate a helo trim, that would be a literal game changer for the CH-47. will have to experiment next time i'm home

I tried it with the CH-47F, didn't like it. It worked better for the UH-60L. Maybe I need to tune the setting, or see if there is an update to download or compile.

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[trev5150]

On 8/25/2024 at 8:33 AM, dresoccer4 said:

oh man, this is a bummer. guess i should have looked this up before i bought it. i had just assumed it would have ffb like all the other helo modules. I was quite surprised when I finally fired up the bird for the first time and tried to take off: dead fish stick. i don't even think it's flyable now.

has anyone else figured out a workaround for FFB2? otherwise she's unfortunately going to gather mothballs in the hanger

 

You still got it for the EA price I don’t see a downside. 

[dresoccer4]

On 9/25/2024 at 2:13 AM, trev5150 said:

You still got it for the EA price I don’t see a downside. 

what? not even sure what your comment means. the module is currently unflyable for ffb joystick users, price is irrelevant

Edited September 30, 2024 by dresoccer4

[MAXsenna]

what? not even sure what your comment means. the module is currently unflyable for ffb joystick users, price is irrelevant

Added today.
To be fair, I usually turn off force trim in the Huey, Kiowa and Gazelle, so the Chinook wasn't that hard to tame.

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[trev5150]

9 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

what? not even sure what your comment means. the module is currently unflyable for ffb joystick users, price is irrelevant

 

When YOU decide to buy an early access product YOU AGREE that you're getting involved in an incomplete, broken, buggy thing. You get to report issues, not complain that the thing that you want to work doesn't work yet. You are allowed this privilege at a discounted price. If you want to complain, cough up another 20-30 bucks for what the module would cost at full value. That's your wahhhh tax.

Edited October 1, 2024 by trev5150

[dresoccer4]

2 hours ago, trev5150 said:

When YOU decide to buy an early access product YOU AGREE that you're getting involved in an incomplete, broken, buggy thing. You get to report issues, not complain that the thing that you want to work doesn't work yet. You are allowed this privilege at a discounted price. If you want to complain, cough up another 20-30 bucks for what the module would cost at full value. That's your wahhhh tax.

 

this is such a weird comment. makes 0 sense.
and completely irrelevant as the devs just added ffb support to the module today for...you guessed it...early access. no "coughing up 20-30 bucks"

10 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Added today.
To be fair, I usually turn off force trim in the Huey, Kiowa and Gazelle, so the Chinook wasn't that hard to tame.

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saw that right away. the devs definitely knew it was sorely needed and did the right thing. 

on the other note, you fly helos with a limp joystick? i find that hard to believe . it's one thing to turn off force trim (unsure why you'd do that) and another to have no centering force whatsoever (like the CH-47)

Edited October 1, 2024 by dresoccer4

[MAXsenna]

saw that right away. the devs definitely knew it was sorely needed and did the right thing. 
on the other note, you fly helos with a limp joystick? i find that hard to believe . it's one thing to turn off force trim (unsure why you'd do that) and another to have no centering force whatsoever (like the CH-47)

Yup, it's easier than you think. Not the Chinook though. It's "better" now. It's so different from the others.
The Microsoft SW FFB2 has a huge flaw in the implementation of it. It has a hardware set deadzone, that will move when you trim. If you don't trim at mission start, it will just stay at x0/y0, and if you turn off force trim in, let's say the Huey, hovering etc. it's much easier.

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[trev5150]

22 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

this is such a weird comment. makes 0 sense.
and completely irrelevant as the devs just added ffb support to the module today for...you guessed it...early access. no "coughing up 20-30 bucks"

Are you OK? Your comment makes me think you've got a LAN cable wrapped around your neck and you can't breathe very well. You look a bit hypoxic, rhetorically speaking. Let me help you understand simple concepts in context.

That poster was whining that FFB wasn't in the early access module AT THAT TIME. The module IS IN DEVELOPMENT. As of this update they managed to get it in amongst all the other things. HOW ABOUT THAT? Did I say that FFB support was never going to be introduced during early access? No, I did not.

My post was relevant at the time and therefore fit the context. I guess that due to the loss of brain cells from your auto-erotic asphyxiation hobbies you don't understand that forums are a linear thing and post order is based on when it was sent. You can look it up. Don't hurt yourself.

Go see a neurologist and get an fMRI. I'm really curious to see where the dark spots are.

[Hiob]

On 10/1/2024 at 5:27 AM, dresoccer4 said:

 

on the other note, you fly helos with a limp joystick? i find that hard to believe . it's one thing to turn off force trim (unsure why you'd do that) and another to have no centering force whatsoever (like the CH-47)

 

This is exactly how the cyclic in a lot of helos work. Just friction and damping. And that is how it feels in a chopper with force trim turned off. Watch some video of casmo, he tells how this is exactly how they preferred to fly the Kiowa.

Why is that so hard to believe? What do you need spring forces for in a helicopter?

[MAXsenna]

This is exactly how the cyclic in a lot of helos work. Just friction and damping. And that is how it feels in a chopper with force trim turned off. Watch some video of casmo, he tells how this is exactly how they preferred to fly the Kiowa.
Why is that so hard to believe? What do you need spring forces for in a helicopter?

I don't think he meant with springs, but the lack of force trim. He uses MS FFB2.

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[Hiob]

30 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I don't think he meant with springs, but the lack of force trim. He uses MS FFB2.

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He talked about centering force. There are no aerodynamic forces on a cyclic, only artificial spring loaded ones (sometimes). 

Ah, whatever, FFB worked from day one for me. Curtesy of the Rhino and TelemFFB. 

However, now they have it properly integrated, no?

[MAXsenna]

He talked about centering force. There are no aerodynamic forces on a cyclic, only artificial spring loaded ones (sometimes). 
Ah, whatever, FFB worked from day one for me. Curtesy of the Rhino and TelemFFB. 
However, now they have it properly integrated, no?

Yup!

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