M11 - targeting calls confusing

[Razor18]

Hay Badger,

Spoiler

After the ground strike and retrieving towards WP 7, Ford tells Matrix to turn port to extend from the SAM zone before attacking the MiGs. When turning back into the MiGs, Matrix says something like "I take the left group" then Ford replys "I take the right one" (or the other way around).

But by this time there is no left or right side group, because Ford and Matrix got south of all groups that are coming from the north, actually trailing each other. So they should be now rather called "south group" and "north group", or even better "lead group" and "trail group" from Ford's perspective. In this moment there is no way telling which group is supposed  to be attacked by Ford, and which by Matrix, so when I unleashed Matrix, I thought he will take down the lead Mig, which he obviously didn't, instead he just wathced it killing Ford (me). Matrix even called splash on the impact of my AMRAAM, which I launched last second, when I realized Matrix didn't give a s**t to the charging MiG way out in front of the others. But it was too late, and I died, while Matrix was keep on flying towards the trailing group.

 

Tacview-20240825-181458-DCS-SYRIA M11 ZERO HELO.zip.acmi

Edited August 25, 2024 by Razor18

[Badger633]

@Razor18 Thanks will take a look at the Tacview. If I am right, the conversation on left and right all comes after the trigger activated by you telling Matrix to engage. It would probably have made more sense if you got further away to the port and gave Matrix the command to engage earlier. That dialogue then takes place as they are still in the distance and approaching and clearly identifiable. 
Matrix has been scripted to attack the group he indicates but this is DCS AI and I suppose like in real life things don’t turn out as planned, “the confusion of war”

I will check out the track thanks. This engagement can be bit manic but normally works out. Just so you know in all engagements your wing is only scripted to engage certain aircraft you will always have to kill some of them. This to prevent the player being able to sit back and let the wing kill them all. 

EDIT: Looking at the track, yes, you kept heading back west far too long and carried on going west even when you eventually gave matrix the engage instruction. As you were very late turning you were at a disadvantage as the Mig was already lining up on you. Suggest turn 90 degrees port straight away to get distance and height don't head west you are going to engage the Migs then 180 degree turn on Migs and engage Matrix so he can start lining up early. Voice overs should make sense then also. Hope this helps.

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Badger633