Alexrey Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 I was just wondering what books the air force and/or navy (any air force/navy) have in their syllabus for air combat maneuvers. I've seen a book called "Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering" but it seems very old (not that it isn't any good). Would books like these even be accessible to the public?
GGTharos Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 No, they are not. They are in fact classified, being that they contain tactics and methods. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Luse Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 From an old pilot friend of mine I got my hands on an F-16 Combat something or another it was issued by the USAF, ill take a look STT Radar issue is leftover code.
slowhand Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) for fixed wing aircraft that book is great ...full of pilot Stuff and will give you the tech end of combat flying..i would buy it..i have had my copy and still flip it from time to time...4 about 8 yrs..good huntn..5x5..btw i also posted 2 books you may want to look at..one was a AH64 operations FM.and the other was AHFO TM..they are on this forum just look for my post.. Edited June 12, 2009 by slowhand [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] SMOKE'M:smoke: IF YA GOT'M!:gun_rifle: H2o Cooler I7 9700k GA 390x MB Win 10 pro Evga RTX 2070 8Gig DD5 32 Gig Corsair Vengence, 2T SSD. TM.Warthog:joystick: :punk:, CV-1:matrix:,3x23" monitors, Tm MFD's, Saitek pro rudders wrapped up in 2 sheets of plywood:megalol:
Vekkinho Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 Don't understand why would it be classified, there's a bunch of air combat tactics and maneuver books published so far... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 Consider how many things you do NOT know about your favorite fighter's radar, for one, then add to that that you probably didn't even know that you can point your fighter's nose a certain way to make lock on more difficult, and that ECM and ECCM comes into play, and that makes up tactics that you do NOT want your enemy to know ... nor do you want him to know that you know his. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
slowhand Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 i agree with GG..we only see and or hear just a tiny part of that world..you can find all kinds of books on the subject... but thats just the tip of a very long A$$ sword..,5x5... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] SMOKE'M:smoke: IF YA GOT'M!:gun_rifle: H2o Cooler I7 9700k GA 390x MB Win 10 pro Evga RTX 2070 8Gig DD5 32 Gig Corsair Vengence, 2T SSD. TM.Warthog:joystick: :punk:, CV-1:matrix:,3x23" monitors, Tm MFD's, Saitek pro rudders wrapped up in 2 sheets of plywood:megalol:
Vekkinho Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 Well the question was on air combat maneuvers that's what the ACM stands for, I didn't know fighter's radar capability and ECM counter is mentioned each and every time somebody talks hi Yo-Yo! In fact, ACM haven't changed since WW1, in modern aircombat you still see Immelmann, Split S, Hi and Lo Yo-Yo, scissors etc. The only thing that might slightly change ACM in modern day is the introduction of vectoring nozzles although I still believe these create more drag than gain! So why classified?!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 ACM includes missile combat. BFM is something you can read in Robert Shaw's book and he covers it really well ;) Further I'll add that even though the basics are the same for BFM in modern jets, they probably always train ACM because you want to avoid getting slapped with a missile in the face in the merge. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
wickedpenguin Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) You guys might want to check out the biography of Col. John Boyd. It was a real eye opener when I read it a few years back. Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War Boyd was pivotal in creating modern fighter tactics. At the time he became a pilot, the USAF and USN were focused on creating aircraft that flew faster, higher, and further, but were no longer real fighter aircraft. They were so heavy they couldn't maneuver well, they were too technologically complicated, and they relied far too much on missiles. As a response - and to the endless annoyance of his superiors - he developed the Energy Maneuverability Theory and OODA loop theory and openly attacked the fighter design philosophy of the day. To put it simply, whoever retains the most energy in a dogfight wins. Big heavy swing wings and nuclear weapons capability aren't going to help you in a furball. The man preached the theories to anyone who would listen and eventually managed to swing the boat around. Boyd was also an amazing pilot on his own. He did serve in Korea, but never got a kill before the war ended. However, back stateside, he was an air combat instructor pilot and was able to defeat anyone within forty seconds from a position of disadvantage (leading to him being called "Forty Second Boyd"). He is largely responsible for the creation of the F-15, the Lightweight Fighter competition - which spawned the F-16 and F/A-18 - and even had a huge impact on the land attack strategy used in the first Gulf War. If you guys want to learn about modern air combat tactics, Boyd's the man who created the foundation for them. Edited June 12, 2009 by wickedpenguin [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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