I'm curious about the F-1M hud symbology

[RodentMaster]

A thought entered my head. I was seeing somebody discussing the HUD of the F-1CE and how it doesn't show "level" but that's not what it was designed to do. Other planes of that era, like the F-14, had similar HUD ladders and limited symbology. However, this made me think about something.

 

In the preview we saw a non-textured picture of the F-1M cockpit with glass MFDs and a definite improvement in modernity. So... When did Mirage move to the more modern symbology of the F-2000?  It's much more modern and I think it has the modern symbology including level HUD and hash marks. That was in the late '80s, right? So the F-1M was in the late 80s also, right? So was there an update to the HUD symbology of the F-1M along the way? We don't see that in the F-1EE, but it predates the F-1M.

 

I tried googling it but found precious little on this topic. I'm curious if anybody in here knows more about it. Would it more closely match the early era HUD ladder and symbology, or would it match what we consider the standard "now" and have something more similar to the F-2000 and western air forces?

[Hawkeye_UK]

This is worth watching, really low level over the desert, French F1's  - note the brief clip of the HUD at the end, has a velocity vector!  

 

[Hawkeye_UK]

Note these are not the m variant but some great shots 

 

[Caldero]

En 20/11/2024 a las 2:17, RodentMaster dijo:

A thought entered my head. I was seeing somebody discussing the HUD of the F-1CE and how it doesn't show "level" but that's not what it was designed to do. Other planes of that era, like the F-14, had similar HUD ladders and limited symbology. However, this made me think about something.

 

In the preview we saw a non-textured picture of the F-1M cockpit with glass MFDs and a definite improvement in modernity. So... When did Mirage move to the more modern symbology of the F-2000?  It's much more modern and I think it has the modern symbology including level HUD and hash marks. That was in the late '80s, right? So the F-1M was in the late 80s also, right? So was there an update to the HUD symbology of the F-1M along the way? We don't see that in the F-1EE, but it predates the F-1M.

 

I tried googling it but found precious little on this topic. I'm curious if anybody in here knows more about it. Would it more closely match the early era HUD ladder and symbology, or would it match what we consider the standard "now" and have something more similar to the F-2000 and western air forces?

Hi

Regarding Spanish Air Force Mirage F1M,  I don't have any picture at hand right now, only a couple of tech drawings, but I think you won't be dissapointed

It has a Sextant Avionique true modern HUD with several modes (NAV, AA, AG, PRG) and plenty of info: speed, altitude, flight path vector, heading, pitch ladder, bank angle, AOA, g, WP info (number, heading, distance, ETA, TTG...) plus all the weapons delivery info (bomb fall line, impact point, frag, TGT diamond..) for each mode CCIP/CCRP

Regards

 

Edited November 21 by Caldero

[RodentMaster]

hawkeye those are interesting. They aren't the M but they have the type of HUD that Caldero had a picture of in that diagram. Must be a different model than the EE. Very cool.

 

Caldero, there's a short bit where the F1 is making a dive attack on a car on the road and has some kind of rising bar that locks (or the pilot pickles the weapons when it passes) the target. Does that match something you've seen so far? That's much more advanced that I was thinking it would be. All the better!

[chichowalker]

M model has almost same HUD than Mirage 2000 Razbam module has.

Enviado desde mi SM-G981B mediante Tapatalk

[Loukuins]

This is how the Mirage F1M HUD looks like, it's made by Sextant Avionique who is using the Smart HUD

[Schmidtfire]

From what I have seen, it looks close to the Mirage-2000C HUD symbology.

[SabreDancer]

On 11/19/2024 at 7:17 PM, RodentMaster said:

In the preview we saw a non-textured picture of the F-1M cockpit with glass MFDs and a definite improvement in modernity... That was in the late '80s, right? So the F-1M was in the late 80s also, right? So was there an update to the HUD symbology of the F-1M along the way? We don't see that in the F-1EE, but it predates the F-1M.

It's worth noting that the F1E introduced a more modern HUD with weapons targeting information as an option, among other features. It just so happens that the Spanish, when buying their specific F1E variant, did not opt into this new HUD and equipped them with the same F1C HUD.

The F1M came around in 1997, and was the first Spanish F1 to have a modern HUD. My personal opinion is that it can stand in fine for 70s-80s F1Es HUD-wise, but that's just me.

Notably, the ALR-300 RWR is also a 90s upgrade. The BF RWR should be used for any historically accurate Spanish Cold War scenarios.

Edited December 1 by SabreDancer