LizardKingYB Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) AOA, Gear, Radar Scale Indications to bright even in day. On sunset or night its too bright and not comfortable for eyes. (BRT\DIM Switch in DIM position on both screenshots) Day Spoiler Night Spoiler Edited January 20 by LizardKingYB 3
twistking Posted February 19 Posted February 19 My feeling was that the bright/dim switch simply does not work. I cannot see it changing brightness of indicators at all. I have not tested with today's patch though... My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
LizardKingYB Posted February 22 Author Posted February 22 On 2/19/2025 at 6:30 PM, twistking said: My feeling was that the bright/dim switch simply does not work. I cannot see it changing brightness of indicators at all. I have not tested with today's patch though... Me too. But nothing is mentioned in the patch notes.
twistking Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) @Flappie could it be that the brightness controls are not hooked up correctly? brt/dim switch not changing the caution lights (and AOA indexer) brightness and instrument backlight brightness also not correctly reacting to corresponding controls. might be related to that other report... Edited February 22 by twistking My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
twistking Posted February 24 Posted February 24 The latest patch has fixed it for me. BRT/DIM now works, however it seems to mostly effect the reflections of the indicators on the cockpit walls. The indicators themselves barely change. It's easy to see on the three green gear indicator lights. BRT/DIM changes how much the cockpit wall is illuminated, while the lights themselves barely change. Same with warning panel in the right console but less pronounced... My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
twistking Posted February 25 Posted February 25 @Flappie Cold you have a look at it? I assume it's just WIP, but would still be good to have it acknowledged: To reproduce: Start flight hot on ramp or runway at night, no moon. Turn off some systems like a single generator to get warning lights on the warning panel on the right console. Now look at the the warning lights panel (right console) and the three greens lights of the gear indicator while toggling the BRT/DIM switch: Notice how the reflections of the indicator lights on the cockpit walls change in brightness, while the lights/panels themselves only show very little change. My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
Flappie Posted March 1 Posted March 1 @twistking This is what I get. I understand what you mean. The question now is: do you expect these gear/caution lights to be brighter than they currently are when switch is on "BRT", or do you want them to be dimmer than they currently are when switch is on "DIM"? (again, it would be great if someone could find reference images/footage of the cockpit night lighting) F-5E_warning lights dim-brt.trk 1 ---
LizardKingYB Posted March 1 Author Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Flappie said: @twistking This is what I get. I understand what you mean. The question now is: do you expect these gear/caution lights to be brighter than they currently are when switch is on "BRT", or do you want them to be dimmer than they currently are when switch is on "DIM"? (again, it would be great if someone could find reference images/footage of the cockpit night lighting) F-5E_warning lights dim-brt.trk 109.08 kB · 1 download Let me do some tests. In your video looks normal.
twistking Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Flappie said: @twistking This is what I get. I understand what you mean. The question now is: do you expect these gear/caution lights to be brighter than they currently are when switch is on "BRT", or do you want them to be dimmer than they currently are when switch is on "DIM"? (again, it would be great if someone could find reference images/footage of the cockpit night lighting) F-5E_warning lights dim-brt.trk 109.08 kB · 1 download I don't have a strong opinion on the way to correct the discrepancy. I think it would be good to have them a little bit dimmer on DIM, simply because on 1080p the warning panels are difficult to read, partly because of the strong contrast. A dimmer DIM setting would help a little bit, but that's a very practical approach and not necessarily realistic. The current disconnect between the brightness of the reflection and the brightness of the actual panels/indicator lights is so strong, that i would honestly hope that a trained artist would immediately know how to correct it. I'm a trained visual artist myself, but real time computer graphics are not my forte: I see that something is off, but one of ED talented artists would surely know immediately in which direction to correct it. I appreciate that you're trying to make the report as precise as possible, but i think it's best to let the professionals decide. They should have an idea of the reflective properties of the cockpit walls and they should at least have good assumptions about the brightness of the indicator lights and panels. From there they can surely eyeball it... ps: Remember that there were some undocumented changes to cockpit lighting in the latest patch (BRT/DIM did not work at all prior) so there is surely an aspect of WIP with all of this... Edited March 1 by twistking 2 My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
LizardKingYB Posted March 1 Author Posted March 1 23 minutes ago, twistking said: I don't have a strong opinion on the way to correct the discrepancy. I think it would be good to have them a little bit dimmer on DIM, simply because on 1080p the warning panels are difficult to read, partly because of the strong contrast. A dimmer DIM setting would help a little bit, but that's a very practical approach and not necessarily realistic. The current disconnect between the brightness of the reflection and the brightness of the actual panels/indicator lights is so strong, that i would honestly hope that a trained artist would immediately know how to correct it. I'm a trained visual artist myself, but real time computer graphics are not my forte: I see that something is off, but one of ED talented artists would surely know immediately in which direction to correct it. I appreciate that you're trying to make the report as precise as possible, but i think it's best to let the professionals decide. They should have an idea of the reflective properties of the cockpit walls and they should at least have good assumptions about the brightness of the indicator lights and panels. From there they can surely eyeball it... ps: Remember that there were some undocumented changes to cockpit lighting in the latest patch (BRT/DIM did not work at all prior) so there is surely an aspect of WIP with all of this... For this particular situation, the topic was started because some lights are too bright in comparison to others, and there wasn't a way to adjust like others. 2 hours ago, Flappie said: @twistking This is what I get. I understand what you mean. The question now is: do you expect these gear/caution lights to be brighter than they currently are when switch is on "BRT", or do you want them to be dimmer than they currently are when switch is on "DIM"? (again, it would be great if someone could find reference images/footage of the cockpit night lighting) F-5E_warning lights dim-brt.trk 109.08 kB · 1 download After the latest patch 2.9.13.6818 - all interior lights look cool in day and dim/bright switch does the job, in the night it's way better. Also, can we get AOA indexer light and the radar scale less bright at night because it looks too bright and blurred? Spoiler
Flappie Posted March 1 Posted March 1 44 minutes ago, twistking said: I think it would be good to have them a little bit dimmer on DIM, simply because on 1080p the warning panels are difficult to read, partly because of the strong contrast. A dimmer DIM setting would help a little bit, but that's a very practical approach and not necessarily realistic. I agree. 21 minutes ago, LizardKingYB said: [...] Also, can we get AOA indexer light and the radar scale less bright at night because it looks too bright and blurred? Thanks for your feedback. I don't know if the AoA indexer light can be dimmed in the real aircraft, and whether it's currently accurate or not. I'll see if I can find some reference material. While testing all this, I've found what looks like a bug: when the Flight Instrument Lighting knob is set to 0, the Warning Lights state is automatically changed to BRT (but the switch does not move). 1 ---
Flappie Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) Pages 1-97 to 1-99 of the real F-5E manual make it very clear: The DIM/BRT switch should work for "Warning, Caution and Indicator lights". Warning, Caution and Indicator lights include: FIRE, gear unsafe, Master Caution, Arrest Hook, gear position, AOA indexer and caution light panel. Which means it should be possible to dim the AOA indexed lights. EDIT: it already does in DCS. Edited March 1 by Flappie 1 1 ---
LizardKingYB Posted March 1 Author Posted March 1 58 minutes ago, Flappie said: Pages 1-97 to 1-99 of the real F-5E manual make it very clear: The DIM/BRT switch should work for "Warning, Caution and Indicator lights". Warning, Caution and Indicator lights include: FIRE, gear unsafe, Master Caution, Arrest Hook, gear position, AOA indexer and caution light panel. Which means it should be possible to dim the AOA indexed lights. EDIT: it already does in DCS. I was trying to find some video proofs. You did what we need). I suppose you take care of it? And thank you!
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