Mig-31 in Cold war Germany

[prts808]

Since we're moving to basically the hottest location in cold war, I feel like the Mig-31 would be a great addition to DCS, maybe in the future paired with Mig-23-s. The Mig-31 is nothing like the Mig-25 was, even though they look similar, but it's radar and handling are completely different. The Mig-31 could be used pretty much as an AWACS due to it's datalink capabilities (Which if I'm not mistaken Soviets actually did), it could link with later aircraft aswell, such as Su-27. Would be great one day to see this beast in DCS, since there isn't lot of redfor ff aircraft around. What do others think about this one?

[Mainstay]

If only... a MiG-25PD or PDS and a MiG-31 would be brilliant.

[bies]

Vapour Labs 3rd party did a research making MiG-25 MOD. They planned original 1972 MiG-25P.

In short, they were forced to make RBT recon/bomber variant as there is still basically zero information even about original 1972 MiG-25P with Smerch pulse radar or R-40 missiles. Everything classified. No data, no documentation, nothing. They would have to make everything fictional and they assessed it would be too unrealistic even for the MOD. Let alone modernized 1979 MiG-25PD. Let alone full fidelity anything.

MiG-31 is much more classified then MiG-25PD - so, you get the picture...

In USSR there were two forces using fighters; PVO Strany (Air Defense) with missiles and GCI-guided interceptor fighters had much more money and more fighters then VVS (Tactical Aviation) and everything about PVO was completely classified. Maybe some day they declassify original 1972 MiG-25P.

 

Here are original Soviet Cold War 1980s MiG-31 analog cockpits, with powerfull Zaslon radar (and painfully slow and unreliable central computer)  Overall cockpit arrangement, 4 belly pylons and R-33 missiles quite similar to F-14 Tomcat, but not suited for close air combat. It would be interesting, requiring good crew coordination as they both guys had completely different responsibilities, like in our F-14.

Pilot's cockpit was very similar to MiG-21bis, no displays, analog instruments, no HUD, just combiner glass.

Radar Officer's cockpit similar to F-14, main CRT display and two smaller IFF and radar diagnostic displays. Half blind, no forward visibility.

[prts808]

@bies

Thank you for that piece of information! I guess the best we could do is hope that one day maybe we will get our hands on some documents that would acutally be useful for the development of both Foxbat and Foxhound. 

[F-2]

3 hours ago, bies said:

Vapour Labs 3rd party did a research making MiG-25 MOD. They planned original 1972 MiG-25P.

In short, they were forced to make RBT recon/bomber variant as there is still basically zero information even about original 1972 MiG-25P with Smerch pulse radar or R-40 missiles. Everything classified. No data, no documentation, nothing. They would have to make everything fictional and they assessed it would be too unrealistic even for the MOD. Let alone modernized 1979 MiG-25PD. Let alone full fidelity anything.

MiG-31 is much more classified then MiG-25PD - so, you get the picture...

In USSR there were two forces using fighters; PVO Strany (Air Defense) with missiles and GCI-guided interceptor fighters had much more money and more fighters then VVS (Tactical Aviation) and everything about PVO was completely classified. Maybe some day they declassify original 1972 MiG-25P.

 

Here are original Soviet Cold War 1980s MiG-31 analog cockpits, with powerfull Zaslon radar (and painfully slow and unreliable central computer)  Overall cockpit arrangement, 4 belly pylons and R-33 missiles quite similar to F-14 Tomcat, but not suited for close air combat. It would be interesting, requiring good crew coordination as they both guys had completely different responsibilities, like in our F-14.

Pilot's cockpit was very similar to MiG-21bis, no displays, analog instruments, no HUD, just combiner glass.

Radar Officer's cockpit similar to F-14, main CRT display and two smaller IFF and radar diagnostic displays. Half blind, no forward visibility.

I wouldn’t say zero, we have Iraq MiG-25P and PD manuals (how we know Iraqi Foxbats did have Sapfir-25) as well as a few P system manuals.

[Swan37]

MiG-31 is impossible now cause of zero documentations about engines, MiG-25PD is possible Iraq has manuals, but it will be useless.
MiG-25 is very specific interceptor, it was designed to intercept SR-71, but not to BVR. Foxbat is very fat and R-40RD/TD unmaneuverable.
better to add  Su-15TM if you want interceptor, MiG-23ML will be nice cold era 3th gen fighter, MiG-27 or Su-17/22 as a strike aircraft, finaly Su-27S and MiG-29 

 

oh yes i forgrot, MiG-25P was stolen in september of 1976 and USA got aircraft with all secret avionics

 

[bies]

2 hours ago, Swan37 said:

MiG-25 is very specific interceptor, it was designed to intercept SR-71, but not to BVR. Foxbat is very fat and R-40RD/TD unmaneuverable.

This is true for the original MiG-25P. Not for MiG-25PD.

1979 MiG-25PD was modified to be more universal fighter, not pure interceptor like its predecessor and during 1991 Desert Storm US F-15C pilots stated MiG-25PD proven to be a bigger danger then the MiG-29. Because it was faster, flying higher and with longer range missiles, depriving F-15C its comfortable one-sided enviiroment of using the most high/fast/range advantage.

MiG-25P had simple powerfull pulse Smerch radar and no means for air combat, it was pure interceptor.

Modernized 1979 MiG-25PD was adapted for air combat as well, it had quasi-doppler Saphir-25 radar, based on MiG-23, but much more powerfull, with great detection range, capability to detect targest below the fighter, RWR SPO-10 (1980s PDSG SPO-15), APP-50A chaff and flare dispensers, IRST, short range R-60 missiles (PDSG also R-60M) etc. Obviously the airframe/engine was still uncompromised high altitude, exceptionally fast, low maneuverability interceptor. Overall it would be very interesting.

[upyr1]

If any version of the MIg-25 or 31 can be done it would be awesome. I don't expect to see the MiG-31 as anything else besides a mod