SU-15TM

[Swan37]

Sukhoi-15 Flagon is soviet interceptor what was designed in 60s. Su-15TM is late modernized version.
avionics:
radar: Орёл-ДМ.
nav systems: АРК-10 & МРП-56, РСБН-5С.
FCS: САУ-58.
RWR:СПО-10.
IFF:СОД-57, СР30-2М
Weapons:
R-98 (AA-3) IR or radar guided version
R-60 (AA-8)
Flagon has high dynamic perfomance. Max speed: 1300 km/h above ground, on high 2230 Km/h. Max altitude 18 500 м
Flagon can became nice addition to cold era aircraft in DCS

[bies]

Su-15 or Tu-128 would be great as AI opponents if we ever have some Cold War US strategic bomber.

Su-15 was an interceptor designed to work in integrated air defense, it was used ONLY by PVO Strany (it means the details are probably strictly classified even today), never exported, its R-98 and modernised R-98M had 2G overload of intercepted target. It means it could hit the B-52, B-58, Victor, but B-1b, F-111 or Vulcan could outmaneuver the missile with 2.5G turn. Su-15TM had also verly limited capability to detect targets below its altitude as its radar was similar to original MiG-25P Smerch. Overall it entered service in 1967, but in 1970s it already became quite dated. Since early 1980s start to be replace by the MiG-23P (PVO variant with GCI link). And Su-15 weren't deployed outside of USSR.

Overall even MiG-25PD would be significantly more universal, more suited of air combat, with rich combat history.

When in Su-15 the pilot was basically to controll GCI-linked interception autopilot and some autonomous action in case of unexpected situation. Soviets were obsessed with replacing human by the machine everywhere, aviation, navy, air defense etc. as they percieved human as the weakest link in the chain. Though at that time it did them far more harm then good as automatic systems of the era were quite simple, predictable, unreliable and inflexible.

Edited March 29 by bies

[Swan37]

maybe you are right about usseles R-98, but i don`t think what Su-15 is classified, this thing was retire long time ago and more systems from Su-15 exsist on another plane like MiG-21BIS. SPO-10,ARK-10. classification FCS hasn`t any point.But anyway redfor need in COLD ERA aircraft like MiG-23MLA/MLD, More MiG-21 version like SMT, and this aircraft wasn`t only in Soviet Union

 

Edited March 29 by Swan37

[bies]

5 minutes ago, Swan37 said:

But anyway redfor need in COLD ERA aircraft like MiG-23MLA/MLD, More MiG-21 version like SMT, and this aircraft wasn`t onli in Soviet Union

That's for sure. MiG-15, MiG-19, MiG-21, Mi-24, L-39 are already here. And MiG-17, MiG-23, Su-17, MiG-29 are during development.

FC3 Su-25 receives a big update, costing ED lots of money and work, it may develop into high fidelity as well, especially considering popularity and demand - Cold War tactical CAS/attackers like A-1, A-7, A-10, Su-17, Su-25 are just very attractive and engaging to operate, close visual range combat, sturdy build, lots of manual skills involved, lots of action etc.

[Swan37]

Who is developer of MiG-23?

[bies]

6 minutes ago, Swan37 said:

Who is developer of MiG-23?

RAZBAM...

[Swan37]

Hah no in this way we haven`t got flogger

 

Edited March 29 by Swan37

[Silver_Dragon]

I remember post them on other post:
Su-15 [Flagon A/D] Interceptor

Man Rtng: 3.0/2.0 Damage Value: 27
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Manual
Sensors: RP-15M Orel-DM radar, Gen 0 RWR (90°-270° only)

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 450 500 645
Med: 480 670 920
High: 520 836 1200
VHigh: 520 836 1200
Ceiling: 18500 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 500/595 nmi Int Fuel: 5600 kg
Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
600 L supersonic drop tank 485 kg 60 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 700 kg

• 2 drop tanks, 1 R-8M1R, 1 R-8M1T
• 2 drop tanks, 1 R-98R, 1 R-98T (1967)
• 2 drop tanks or 2 UPK-23-250, 1 R-98R, 1 R-98T (1975)
• 2 drop tanks or 2 UPK-23-250, 1 R-98R, 1 R-98T, 2 R-60 (1979)

Remarks: In Svc: Jul 67 - 1992
First 19 a/c have RP-15 Orel-D radar and used for training only.

• 1965-71: 566 a/c delivered, estimate 259 Flagon A, 307 Flagon D. 18 PVO regiments - 8 Jun 68, 12 Jan 70, 16 by 75, 14 Dec 79, 3 1987.
• 1967: Production fitted with RP-15M radar and R-98R and R-98T missiles.
• 1969: Flagon D in service with improved wing and engines. Use second range.
• 1975: Fitted with provision for UPK-23-250 gun pods. Standard QRA is two aircraft - one with drop tanks, one with gun pods.
• 1979: Aircraft upgraded with two inner wing HP - add two R-60 to all loadouts.

Su-15TM [Flagon F] Interceptor
Man Rtng: 3.0/2.0 Damage Value: 27
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Manual
Sensors: RP-26M Taifun-M radar, Gen 0 RWR (90°-270° only)

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 490 550 700
Med: 530 730 950
High: 570 920 1200
VHigh: 570 920 1200
Ceiling: 17450 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 520 nmi Int Fuel: 5550 kg
Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
600 L supersonic drop tank 485 kg 65 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 1700 kg

• 2 drop tanks, 1 R-98R, 1 R-98T
• 2 drop tanks, 1 R-98MR, 1 R-98MT, 2 R-60 (1979)
• 2 UPK-23-250 gun pods, 1 R-98MR, 1 R-98MT, 2 R-60

Remarks: In Svc: 1973 - 1993
Late production have provision for two UPK-23-250 gun pods replacing drop tanks. First 20 were Su-15T [Flagon E] with RP-26 radar, and only used for testing and trials.

• Oct 71-75: 421 a/c delivered to 12 PVO regiments - 11 1972,12 1975, 9 Dec 79, 10? 1987.
• 21 Jan 75: R-98M series operational, probably replaces R-98.
• 1978: Modified to engage targets at Low altitude while flying at Low altitude.
• 1979: Upgraded with two inner wing HP - adds two R-60.
• 1980: Standard QRA is two aircraft - one with drop tanks, one with gun pods.

[bies]

25 minutes ago, Swan37 said:

Hah no in this way we haven`t got flogger

 

 Only time will tell.

But good to remember even just one FF module may be great - nearly all previous simulators had only one single flayable aircraft - still often offering fantastic experience. Because what matters for the overall experience is proper enviroment, proper era map, proper era AI air, ground, sea assets, working ATC, well made camaign, preferably dynamic, decent air, ground, sea enemy and friendly AI, well modeled foundation like missile or countermeasures simulation.  Not exactly just more aircrafts to test.

And ED is, slowly, but moving in this direction (ATC, Dynamic Campaign, AI improvements, weather, expanded weapon simulation, damage modeling, improved radar and IR simulation) as they already have many times (!) more full fidelity aircrafts then any simulator in history

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[Swan37]

you`re right enviroment also significant factor in DCS.did ED say anything about FF Su-27?

 

 

[bies]

Just now, Swan37 said:

you`re right enviroment also significant factor in DCS.did ED say anything about FF Su-27?

 

 

That right now it's impossible as part of the team still live inside Russia and they have to obey. Before the war they encouraged 3rd parties, but noone is eager to take the risk of being forced to cancel mid-development, or being forbidden to sell in Russia, so far.

[Swan37]

but ED already has FC Su-27, it means what ED has licensy. what`s trouble? Su-27SK manual is unclassified and why MiG-29 isn`t risky?

[bies]

4 hours ago, Swan37 said:

but ED already has FC Su-27, it means what ED has licensy. what`s trouble? Su-27SK manual is unclassified and why MiG-29 isn`t risky?

1980s MiG-29 9.12 was very risky and Russians practically forced ED to stop the development two times, the project was close to being cancelled and all ED time, work and investment lost. Fortunately now it looks like they are on final and we will be able to have realistically modeled original Soviet / WarPac MiG-29 9.12A in DCS, but it was always at the edge.

Manual is only a small fraction of material needed to make realistically modeled full fidelity aircraft.

Noone stopped ED from making low fidelity FC3 aircraft of any kind, they were considered game-like realism, and noone cared, like noone cared about F-22 TAW in 1998, years before Raptor entered service. But when you want to reasonably realistic recreation like full fidelity DCS module, not only you need the vast amount of documentation and preferably SME (AKA pilots which flown the thing, willing to cooperate, help to correct and fine tune things), but also a permission of the officials. ED has no permission to model even original Soviet Su-27S from 1985 right now.

[Swan37]

About MiG-29A. Can you share the source where it is described?

 

[bies]

2 hours ago, Swan37 said:

About MiG-29A. Can you share the source where it is described?

 

The source where what exactly is described about the MiG-29?

[Swan37]

about attemps to cancel project 

 

 

[bies]

1 hour ago, Swan37 said:

about attemps to cancel project 

 

 

Good luck digging trough the forum and Discord 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

19 hours ago, Swan37 said:

about attemps to cancel project 

 

 

Not so much defined attempts as it was ED telling us that the Russian MoD didn't want to play ball. They've sourced their important documentation from elsewhere.