JAMMER usage - Mode 3 -> Mode 1

[Spartan111sqn]

Dear all, I have question on if what I am going to describe you is how is intended to be in real life or by contrary I am not simulating but gaming.

 

Situation: BVR Viper (alq-184) vs Hornet, FL300 both

Distance: 50nm head on

Procedure for Viper:

1.- Jammer in mode 3 and ON

2.- Switch to mode 1

3.- Jammer continues ON and now radar works

4.- Hornet locked at 49nm (TWS, VSR, RWS, STT)

5.- Hornet cannot locked on me before 28nm aprox.

Questions:

1.- Is that a realistic way of using the JAMMER?

2.- In the case explained above, when in mode 1 and JAMMER ON transmitting, is simulated less performance in the RADAR?

 

@BIGNEWY, @NineLine or others maybe you can give me a bit of light on this.

Thanks for your answers

Edited May 14 by Spartan111sqn

[Spartan111sqn]

no answers here in 20 hours, strange, isn't it?

[BIGNEWY]

3 minutes ago, Spartan111sqn said:

no answers here in 20 hours, strange, isn't it?

Hi, we get busy and dont always see every post. 

Wags explains in a video here about ECM modes
 

 

[falconzx]

to me, sounds like a bug.

[BIGNEWY]

best thing to do is attach a short as possible track replay example on Caucasus and we can take a look. 

[Spartan111sqn]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

best thing to do is attach a short as possible track replay example on Caucasus and we can take a look. 

ok, thanks!, not sure why the track is needed in this particular case, but I will provide it.

Edited May 15 by Spartan111sqn

[Spartan111sqn]

LastMissionTrack.trk

Hi @BIGNEWY, track already attached, please just have a look at it.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Spartan111sqn]

On 5/15/2025 at 11:49 AM, falconzx said:

to me, sounds like a bug.

Do you think it is a bug?

Why?

Edited May 17 by Spartan111sqn

[Spartan111sqn]

On 5/14/2025 at 2:17 PM, Spartan111sqn said:

Dear all, I have question on if what I am going to describe you is how is intended to be in real life or by contrary I am not simulating but gaming.

 

Situation: BVR Viper (alq-184) vs Hornet, FL300 both

Distance: 50nm head on

Procedure for Viper:

1.- Jammer in mode 3 and ON

2.- Switch to mode 1

3.- Jammer continues ON and now radar works

4.- Hornet locked at 49nm (TWS, VSR, RWS, STT)

5.- Hornet cannot locked on me before 28nm aprox.

Questions:

1.- Is that a realistic way of using the JAMMER?

2.- In the case explained above, when in mode 1 and JAMMER ON transmitting, is simulated less performance in the RADAR?

 

@BIGNEWY, @NineLine or others maybe you can give me a bit of light on this.

Thanks for your answers

Hi @BIGNEWY is someone dealing with it?

[BIGNEWY]

19 minutes ago, Spartan111sqn said:

Hi @BIGNEWY is someone dealing with it?

Hi, 

we will get to it, we have been busy with the MiG-29A pre-purchase launch Friday and over the weekend. Monday today and we are looking over messages and forum posts at the moment. 

thank you  

[Spartan111sqn]

6 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

we will get to it, we have been busy with the MiG-29A pre-purchase launch Friday and over the weekend. Monday today and we are looking over messages and forum posts at the moment. 

thank you  

Thanks!, waiting for your feedbacks.

[Spartan111sqn]

Just to complement with more info:

In the test we have done we identified that the hornet can break the jammer at the same distance while the viper is in mode 3 and in mode 1. So no higher intensisty is in mode 3 compared with mode 1, I guess higher intensity should be expected also.

Edited May 19 by Spartan111sqn

[BIGNEWY]

Hi Ive spoken to the team 

Mode 1 and 2 should behave as self protection jammers and only emit in response to a tracking lock. Mode 3 should act as a broad noise jammer and continually transmit, regardless of being locked.

[_Hoss]

But the DECM system should only transmit when the signal strength trips the receivers sensitivity threshold. Then it will enable the transmitter to respond, only when all the signal discrete parameters have been met. Once it senses the signal strength has dropped back out of the sensitivity range, the transmitter will stop. Just because your RWR is detecting a threat doesn't mean you are actually responding to it. 

[BIGNEWY]

14 minutes ago, _Hoss said:

But the DECM system should only transmit when the signal strength trips the receivers sensitivity threshold. Then it will enable the transmitter to respond, only when all the signal discrete parameters have been met. Once it senses the signal strength has dropped back out of the sensitivity range, the transmitter will stop. Just because your RWR is detecting a threat doesn't mean you are actually responding to it. 

If you have public unclassified evidence please DM me, but please understand we can only use public information. 

thank you 

[_Hoss]

10 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

If you have public unclassified evidence please DM me, but please understand we can only use public information. 

thank you 

Check your PM.

[Spartan111sqn]

On 5/19/2025 at 10:53 PM, BIGNEWY said:

Hi Ive spoken to the team 

Mode 1 and 2 should behave as self protection jammers and only emit in response to a tracking lock. Mode 3 should act as a broad noise jammer and continually transmit, regardless of being locked.

Then actually the system is not working as it should be?

Then there is no way to be transmitting without being spiked and use the radar?, that would be a game changer in BVR for the Viper.

Edited May 21 by Spartan111sqn

[BIGNEWY]

Hi we have tested and noise jammer that is transmitting when not spiked works fine.

Check you are not set to manual 

Please add a track replay example if you are seeing a problem. 

[Spartan111sqn]

12 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi we have tested and noise jammer that is transmitting when not spiked works fine.

Check you are not set to manual 

Please add a track replay example if you are seeing a problem. 

Is it ok that switch from mode 3 to mode 1 in continuous transmission mode and the radar works is correct?

[BIGNEWY]

8 hours ago, Spartan111sqn said:

Is it ok that switch from mode 3 to mode 1 in continuous transmission mode and the radar works is correct?

cease transmission, set mode to SA or AUTO, and them move to Mode 1 or 2

it should help 

thank you 

[Spartan111sqn]

Just now, BIGNEWY said:

cease transmission, set mode to SA or AUTO, and them move to Mode 1 or 2

it should help 

thank you 

Thanks, but my question is if i proceed like I explained is correct. 

 

Thanks 

[_Hoss]

I know that in the old A-7E, A-6E, AV-8b, and F/A-18, you have a WRA called an Interference Blanker, which controls the duty cycles of all your RF equipment in the aircraft. It prohibits your equipment from stepping on each other's toes during their transmitting and receiving cycles. All of this happens in microseconds, so you would never know it's happening. Whether or not ED or any of the developers know how to implement this into the systems they model is unknown to me. But you should never respond to anything your aircraft is transmitting or receiving.

Now, I don't know what the F-16 has in it to control the duty cycle of its RF equipment, so I can't say for certain how it would prevent itself from stepping on its own RF toes.

Cheers

[falconzx]

1 ora fa, Spartan111sqn ha scritto:

Thanks, but my question is if i proceed like I explained is correct. 

 

Thanks 

Just tested in current patch: If you act as you described with no target bugged, just in scan, the radar will stop working, and even if you go MUSIC OFF the radar will be frozen and unoperable (probable bug, and not intended behaviour). You can fix the radar only going back to mode3 and cycling the MUSIC ON/OFF.

But, reproducing your steps while having on FCR a bugged target, then the radar will continue to work and the ECM will continue to transmit ( another bug as i said before the patch, probably it should stop transmitting)
 

Edited May 22 by falconzx

[Spartan111sqn]

Thanks, let's see if they confirm such way or behaviour as a bug

[Spartan111sqn]

On 5/14/2025 at 2:17 PM, Spartan111sqn said:

Dear all, I have question on if what I am going to describe you is how is intended to be in real life or by contrary I am not simulating but gaming.

 

Situation: BVR Viper (alq-184) vs Hornet, FL300 both

Distance: 50nm head on

Procedure for Viper:

1.- Jammer in mode 3 and ON

2.- Switch to mode 1

3.- Jammer continues ON and now radar works

4.- Hornet locked at 49nm (TWS, VSR, RWS, STT)

5.- Hornet cannot locked on me before 28nm aprox.

Questions:

1.- Is that a realistic way of using the JAMMER?

2.- In the case explained above, when in mode 1 and JAMMER ON transmitting, is simulated less performance in the RADAR?

 

@BIGNEWY, @NineLine or others maybe you can give me a bit of light on this.

Thanks for your answers

@BIGNEWY I have had the opportunity to talk with a RL F16 pilot and that way cannot be done in RL, so it is a bug, cannot be continuous jammer transmit in mode 3 and have the radar working after pass to mode 1 in MAN.