How to use ground weapons?

[AeriaGloria]

4 hours ago, Ornithopter said:

I haven't taken the opportunity to try it out, but is the weapon computer capable of doing a "Loft"* or Dive Toss bombing (in the F-4 sense), meaning that I set up in CCRP but either fling the bomb forward by pulling up, or else release the weapon in a climb?

*Not to be confused with the MiG's TOSS mode, which is more like the LABS, over the shoulder delivery.

Yes

[AeriaGloria]

After just now doing runs, I feel that CCIP bombs is very accurate, but not CCRP or pre designation CCRP

[AeriaGloria]

Okay time to amend my previous statement.

It seems to work a very specific way now. 
 

If you have laser range for the entire targeting process, CCIP, it seems to work perfect for anything now

However, unless you have a target altitude set relatively correctly, it will not work for CCRP. 
 

And it’s pretty easy to tell, without target altitude set it’s wildly off, and with target altitude it’s spot on 
 

This seems to even give a range advantage. I can do CCRP way beyond laser range as long as I have a relatively correctly set target altitude. 
 

I wonder if the real 29 is like this. My impression from reading combat manual was that it “remembers” the coordinates of the lasered target when pitching up for CCRP. But it doesn’t mention anything that directly opposes this, and it has 0 mention of a set target altitude. 

Edited 7 hours ago by AeriaGloria

[IvanK]

On 9/29/2025 at 2:50 PM, IvanK said:

Found this in the Alan R. Wise version of the manual Page 131:

"The input of ballistic data for the aerial bombs is carried out before flight from the monitor centre by the ground crew setting the wafer switches (coded input) to positions corresponding to the code of aerial bombs used. Depending on the conditions of combat use and the bombing mode, additional information about the target vertical separation relative to the departure airfield and the selected drop angle of aerial bombs in toss bombing is entered from the input monitor panel"

So my take on that is that certainly for Toss bombing on a pre planned target the system knows the difference in height  a +- DeltaH between the departure airfield and the pre planned target. Now whether that has any input in the other bombing modes in OPT who knows. more info required.

From a previous post of mine. 

[AeriaGloria]

Yeah, just “depending on use and mode” could be a lot (in this case it’s toss/CCRP and I assume anytime in CCIP that laser either can’t find range or is burned out), and while the DTC “target altitude” isn’t In relation to departure airfield, I suppose that it could be input into the actual MiG-29 interface as departure airfield delta H and it’s just simplified to “target altitude” in the DCS DTC for sake of simplicity 

Thing is combat manual says that backup bombing method without laser relies on radar altitude elevation method like Mi-24. Perhaps it only uses this if there is radar altitude present and no laser?

edit: okay, reading it again, it was my own mind that added the word “radar altitude” to “elevation method”

“To solve the aiming problem in the OEPRN, the range to the target (earth's surface) is measured by a laser rangefinder, or the algorithmic range is calculated using the elevation method.”

”When attacking ground targets, the OEPRNK continuously calculates the range to the earth's surface using the elevation method, which is used to solve the aiming problem if the range from the LD is not received.”

Also, I know someone earlier said they used KMGU fine without Coop/retard forward, but for me it seems to work perfect with the switch forward and KMGU, and they hit too long with the switch back. 

 

I would be interested in a native speakers interpretation of the following sentence in this picture. I assume it’d saying something about range being between 500m and Max range, but what I find interesting is it also seems to say max laser range is 3500m?
 

I wonder how it knows that? Perhaps the laser is occasionally triggering in basic mode (0.25 hz) and when range is less then 3.5 km it activates in full mode (2 hz)? Perhaps it is doing its slant range calculation based off “target altitude” elevation method then turns on laser at less then 3.5 km?  

2 hours ago, IvanK said:

From a previous post of mine. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by AeriaGloria