Hate the SPO15 :/

[Pavlin_33]

19 hours ago, Muchocracker said:

Myth. F-X program was active before mig-25 and had solidified the requirements that would end up becoming the F-15 without it even being considered the primary threat by US intelligence. Su-17 was. 

I dunno, Eagle looks awful alot like the 25 in layout, down to almost identical air intakes.

Do you have some references that back up your statement. I would be grateful.

[Pavlin_33]

7 hours ago, Weta43 said:

The point wasn't that the US doesn't or can't use GCI, it's that US planes were designed to be able to operate autonomously WRT target aquisition in the first instance, and could be supported by GCI if available, whereas Soviet aircraft were designed to not work autonomously, but instead be the sharp end of an integrated system starting with EWR systems.

it comes back to the force projection / home defense doctrinal approach mentioned above. 

If the purpose of an aircraft is to fly deep behind enemy lines to attack the enemy at its heart, then the aircraft has to be able to find and prioritise targets itself - if it's in a position where it can be supported by other assets (AWAC / GCI), then of course you do that. Why would you not? (& as you said, if you're tasked with a mission by a central command, that's what you do, not head off at your own whim)

Flying deep into enemy territory was never the intended mission of the MiG-29. Think about how short its legs are.

It really is just there to quickly get missiles to where the GCI intends them to be - which is why there are better radar scan rasters available to GCI operators on the '29's radar than to the pilot themselves...

People seem to think that AWACS and GCI in the real world work like in DCS: an all seing eye that gives you an F10 view of the battlefield.

In '99 NATO agressiom against FR Yugoslavia, USAF pilots found the (British) AWACS next to useless, as it was giving them erroneous reports and, in their words, was making the entire situation more difficult.

Same story on Serbian side with GCI, that was giving reports like: "Blue is comming from the west." No further instructions, no number and type of threat, no height and no speed. Just a one-liner that left the pilots use their imagination and wonder what to do with this information.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Pavlin_33

[MickV]

While I'm very much enjoying the MiG-29 overall, I fear that the SPO-15 is going to absolutely crater sales - and I say that as a dedicated Redfor guy who very much wants the MiG-29 to sell like hotcakes - so we can get a MiG-23, MiG-25, Su-17/22 etc. 

Having no effective way to detect enemy locks (let alone launches) is going to get real old, real fast for most players. 

[av8orDave]

56 minutes ago, MickV said:

While I'm very much enjoying the MiG-29 overall, I fear that the SPO-15 is going to absolutely crater sales - and I say that as a dedicated Redfor guy who very much wants the MiG-29 to sell like hotcakes - so we can get a MiG-23, MiG-25, Su-17/22 etc. 

Having no effective way to detect enemy locks (let alone launches) is going to get real old, real fast for most players. 

Yeah, I agree. I'm already to the point after having the module for about 24 hours that I'm done getting whacked by SAMs and AAMs. It simply isn't much fun to start up, take off, fly to a mission objective, and get thwacked without ever knowing it was coming. I play Retribution offline almost exclusively, and even with careful mission planning, it just isn't much fun to fly the -29.

[Pavlin_33]

5 minutes ago, av8orDave said:

Yeah, I agree. I'm already to the point after having the module for about 24 hours that I'm done getting whacked by SAMs and AAMs. It simply isn't much fun to start up, take off, fly to a mission objective, and get thwacked without ever knowing it was coming. I play Retribution offline almost exclusively, and even with careful mission planning, it just isn't much fun to fly the -29.

So you get "nails"? If yes, then assume that you are being targeted. If this helps in any way, that is.