flare2k17 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 When starting the 29 i usually don't use ground power but instead turn on my apu like in the mi 24. I've seen other people just using battery power to start up the whole plane. Does the apu have any effect on how the plane actually starts up?
AeriaGloria Posted September 24 Posted September 24 No, you’re fine. Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
CrazyGman Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Speaking of startup. I tried flipping all the switches at once using the master lever that allows all switches to be flipped in one go, but my gyros' wouldn't align properly if I did that. When I did the procedure normally as per wags video everything worked fine, but I'm wondering why it then has that master lever to flip all the switches at once if that cause the startup to not work properly 1
Dača Posted September 24 Posted September 24 58 minutes ago, CrazyGman said: Speaking of startup. I tried flipping all the switches at once using the master lever that allows all switches to be flipped in one go, but my gyros' wouldn't align properly if I did that. When I did the procedure normally as per wags video everything worked fine, but I'm wondering why it then has that master lever to flip all the switches at once if that cause the startup to not work properly 6 switches on electric panel ? I use the cage always and never had issues. Have you disabled main power switch for main gyro as Wags did in video tutorial? If you had, don't do that anymore. It creates gyro problem and INS alignment is busted. Instead use main - stby gyro mode on navigation panel to check if stand by gyro holds same heading.
CrazyGman Posted September 24 Posted September 24 2 hours ago, Dača said: 6 switches on electric panel ? I use the cage always and never had issues. Have you disabled main power switch for main gyro as Wags did in video tutorial? If you had, don't do that anymore. It creates gyro problem and INS alignment is busted. Instead use main - stby gyro mode on navigation panel to check if stand by gyro holds same heading. No not that cage. The one on the bottom left that covers the gyros, radios, weapons IFF etcetera.
AhSoul Posted September 24 Posted September 24 12 minutes ago, CrazyGman said: No not that cage. The one on the bottom left that covers the gyros, radios, weapons IFF etcetera. It's a good question. I've only used the normal procedure where you toggle them as needed, and wondered why it had a cage to toggle them all too.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Soul's pit thread
Dača Posted September 24 Posted September 24 4 minutes ago, CrazyGman said: No not that cage. The one on the bottom left that covers the gyros, radios, weapons IFF etcetera. It may be an issue to do that. Not sure if that is according to procedures. Never tried it myself. AFCS damper may also become issue if all 3 trimmers are not centered. But try again and wait for gyro to spin up 30-40 seconds. Do not disengage main gyro switch on this panel to test standby gyro ! Actually try not to touch anything. After 30-40 seconds on keyboard press J + 9 keys, both at the same time and hold for 1-2 seconds. Theoretically, it could work. In the end cage is used for reducing preparation time and only for emergency scramble to intercept upcoming threats. No need if you are "casual".
CrazyGman Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Dača said: It may be an issue to do that. Not sure if that is according to procedures. Never tried it myself. AFCS damper may also become issue if all 3 trimmers are not centered. But try again and wait for gyro to spin up 30-40 seconds. Do not disengage main gyro switch on this panel to test standby gyro ! Actually try not to touch anything. After 30-40 seconds on keyboard press J + 9 keys, both at the same time and hold for 1-2 seconds. Theoretically, it could work. In the end cage is used for reducing preparation time and only for emergency scramble to intercept upcoming threats. No need if you are "casual". No I did that. Waiting 30-40 seconds doesn't work if I do all the switches at once with the cage. I also never disable the main gyro switch, as that is usually an extra step for testing, and I'm looking at doing the fastest startup scramble time as possible, which means I'm trying to get the Gyros warmed and aligned, the AFCS damper test done, and the fast alignment completed all at the same time, which In theory should happen if I use the cage.
Dača Posted September 24 Posted September 24 30 minutes ago, CrazyGman said: No I did that. Waiting 30-40 seconds doesn't work if I do all the switches at once with the cage. I also never disable the main gyro switch, as that is usually an extra step for testing, and I'm looking at doing the fastest startup scramble time as possible, which means I'm trying to get the Gyros warmed and aligned, the AFCS damper test done, and the fast alignment completed all at the same time, which In theory should happen if I use the cage. Hmm, i will try to do that as well. I will share my experience if it is successful.
Dača Posted Wednesday at 07:09 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:09 PM 8 hours ago, CrazyGman said: No I did that. Waiting 30-40 seconds doesn't work if I do all the switches at once with the cage. I also never disable the main gyro switch, as that is usually an extra step for testing, and I'm looking at doing the fastest startup scramble time as possible, which means I'm trying to get the Gyros warmed and aligned, the AFCS damper test done, and the fast alignment completed all at the same time, which In theory should happen if I use the cage. I just tried this. Everything fine for me. AFCS won't work first time if engine is cold like i tried, so you have to switch that to off, check every trim is neutral after engine start up and then AFCS switch to ON. Wait for bit to finish. Still I would never choose this method, unless i really had to.
CrazyGman Posted Wednesday at 07:31 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:31 PM (edited) 22 minutes ago, Dača said: I just tried this. Everything fine for me. AFCS won't work first time if engine is cold like i tried, so you have to switch that to off, check every trim is neutral after engine start up and then AFCS switch to ON. Wait for bit to finish. Still I would never choose this method, unless i really had to. Could you in theory do engine start up first then hit the cage? Then the AFCS would work. Edited Wednesday at 07:31 PM by CrazyGman
Dača Posted Wednesday at 07:47 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:47 PM 4 minutes ago, CrazyGman said: Could you in theory do engine start up first then hit the cage? Then the AFCS would work. I also thought it would be good. But it is even worse. Ekran failed, completely dead. AFCS bit failed, and had to go for a second time. So don't do that. Engine after avionics.
Dentedend10 Posted Thursday at 12:23 AM Posted Thursday at 12:23 AM also, anyone wondered how the pilot switched on the navigation operation switch, when it's under that glass cover? Alienware Aurora R10, Ryzen 5800X3D, RTX4080, 32GB RAM, Pimax Crystal, Winwing F18 throttle, VKB Gunfighter F14 Stick, VKB Modern Combat Grip, Logitech Rudder pedals, DOF Reality H3
Dača Posted Thursday at 06:22 AM Posted Thursday at 06:22 AM 5 hours ago, Dentedend10 said: also, anyone wondered how the pilot switched on the navigation operation switch, when it's under that glass cover? It should be movable to access all the switches, IRL. 1
CrazyGman Posted Thursday at 05:12 PM Posted Thursday at 05:12 PM 10 hours ago, Dača said: It should be movable to access all the switches, IRL. Yeah I assume it's just like the Viggens that has a similar cover. Guess they haven't gotten to that part where you can flip the cover up 3
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