Ejection on 1st CTRL+E press, not third.

[randomTOTEN]

It only takes a single press of the CTRL+E command to initiate an ejection, not the stated repetition of three times.

We discovered this while a friend was in close during a carrier landing, and his cat happened to step on both the Control and E keys of his keyboard at the same time, causing an ejection and crash.

Affects all variants of the Tomcat.

F-14A Early Eject Bug.trk F-14A Late Eject Bug.trk F-14B Eject Bug.trk

[scommander2]

Mime simply exited back to Windows....

"3 times" was gone  

 

Edited 15 hours ago by scommander2

[Zabuzard]

Uhm, but was it behaving differently beforehand? If not, I doubt this is a "bug" and probably more an intentional feature.

Ofc the better approach would be to just offer two variants of binds: one for instant ejection and one for pressing 3x, as we did it in the Phantom. So thats a reasonable feature request 

Edited 10 hours ago by Zabuzard

[MAXsenna]

12 minutes ago, Zabuzard said:

Ofc the better approach would be to just offer two variants of binds: one for instant ejection and one for pressing 3x, as we did it in the Phantom. So thats a reasonable feature request 

Yes, please. And for some reason ED won't do it for their own modules, so please pave the way!  

Edited 9 hours ago by MAXsenna

[draconus]

4 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

Uhm, but was it behaving differently beforehand?

No, it was always 1 keybind press for ejection in the Tomcat... and I like it.

[MAXsenna]

No, it was always 1 keybind press for ejection in the Tomcat... and I like it.

Really? That's cool.

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[randomTOTEN]

5 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

Uhm, but was it behaving differently beforehand? If not, I doubt this is a "bug" and probably more an intentional feature.

Please also check whatever internal standards exist with ED, I suspect you will find one that stipulates a 3x press of the ejection command, as it is universal among all module makers.

At the very least, x3 needs to be the default, with a single press option available for cockpit builders.

[randomTOTEN]

5 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

Uhm, but was it behaving differently beforehand? If not, I doubt this is a "bug" and probably more an intentional feature.

I provide 3 tracks, and this single sentence makes me have to do more work to report this bug.

Here in Heatblur Simulations F-4. The same keybind. No eject on single press. No eject on double press.

F4 No eject.trk

5 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

as we did it in the Phantom.

I request you remove the default keyboard bindings for this instant ejection command, as pressing 2 random keys in the F4 on accident can lead to an ejection during an immersive mission.

[Zabuzard]

I am a bit confused by your last message. Let me maybe rephrase my statement a bit:

• Thank you for bringing it to our attention and thank you for the efforts you have put into your report, including all the tracks!
• Yes, your observation is correct, it is currently a single press in the Tomcat
• It has been like that since day 1 of when the Tomcat released years ago
• (I know this is not relevant for this discussion but technically its not a bug then, as it is working as intended. It is instead a feature request - but again, this classification isnt really relevant for you, I understand.)
• Your request of having to press it 3x is totally reasonable, we acknowledge that
• The plan to move forward is to do it like it was done in the Phantom: to provide both binds - one for instant ejection and one for pressing it 3x.
• (For backwards compatibility reasons it might be necessary to leave the existing bind untouched and add a 3x ejection bind as new extra bind instead - will see, undecided at the moment.)

Edited 4 hours ago by Zabuzard

[randomTOTEN]

3 minutes ago, Zabuzard said:

as it is working as intended.

Thank you for the detailed response.

You are correct, your internal categorization of the ticket is not relevant to me, the user.

Am I to understand that.... because a feature was working as described since day one of the module... and best I can search never reported to the developers...that automatically makes it a feature, and not an unreported bug?

Despite your single ejection binding instructing the user to press it 3 times, in congruence with best I can see every module in the DCS ecosystem?

Thank you.

[Zabuzard]

Yes. To me it sounds like you think we reject your request, but that is not the case. So please let me highlight:

• Your request is valid, good and welcome
• Ejection by pressing it 3x is the "norm" in DCS, we should and will offer it for the Tomcat
• Instant Ejection has valid use cases as well though, so we will keep offering that as well

[scommander2]

For F-4 (just tested two ejections), LCtrl-E is required three times that F-14 was used to work the same way prior to the Oct release.  And, RCtrl-R, it is one click to eject and it was never implemented in F-14 before.

If some users like one click, "Ejection (instant)" is needed for the F-14 key binding (I think) if users still likes old way of three clicks...   This is considered as a feature then.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by scommander2