Logitech Force 3D PRO x Black Shark

[Sokol1_br]

Anyone know if Logitech Force 3D PRO handle Black Shark trim properly?

 

Yes, I know that these stick have poor pot's.

The only thing that me interest in this is your controller, to put into old CH Force FX (force feedback), similar to so caled "Frank Potato mod" - but without the expensive CH circuits (only to still use CH Manager soft).

 

Sokol1

Edited September 16, 2009 by Sokol1_br

[Pogo]

I bought one to try it out..... It is back in its box waiting to be used on FSX or X-Plane.

 

The trim worked... sort of. At least it worked well enough for me to understand the difference between how the trim works on a FF stick and how it works on a non FF stick, but it was very inconsistent and much too sensitive to be used in Black Shark.

 

I tried every trick I know to set it up, even going so far as to use DXTweak and DIView to try and tone down the sensitivities. The only way I could get it close to working was to tone down the saturation to somewhere around 60% and by then there wasn't enough movement left to properly fly the helicopter.

 

I've gone back to my X52 Pro and will wait and see how the G940 pans out. There are lots of posts from people trying to make it work with very little result. Maybe someone, somewhere, has found the "sooper seekret" setup to make it work properly, but I would not recommend this stick for Black Shark.

 

Cheers,

Pogo

[opformaster]

Yeah i have a Logitech Wingman Force 3D in my franken force. I think all i did was disable the centering force. I did notice when i used the stick in its stock configuration it was way to jumpy and the twist rudder caused allot of control issues. But after the conversion to franken force with a 14" extension the logitech FFB has proven itself. In the end Logitech gets a bad rap on their sticks cause the gimbals, the pots are low quality and the twist rudder issue i mentioned. But their force feed back circuitry is on par with whats available and a good base for a FFB stick mod.

 

Dont use the logitech pots, they are complete junk in comparison to CH pots. I followed the tutorial on the CH forums and it was very easy to follow. Im now working on rudder pedals using a logitech momo wheel. Ill have some pictures of that in the thread i started awhile ago about my franken force.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=36248

Edited September 16, 2009 by opformaster
for clarity

[Pogo]

Yeah i have a Logitech Wingman Force 3D in my franken force. I think all i did was disable the centering force. I did notice when i used the stick in its stock configuration it was way to jumpy and the twist rudder caused allot of control issues.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=36248

 

I am not sure that the Wingman Force 3D and the Force 3D Pro use the same Force Feedback driver board. I remember reading a post by someone from ED that said that the Force 3D Pro did not use the full Force Feedback spec and that was why it didn't work well with BS

 

Now that I think of it, The only FF stick that I can recall reading about that seems to work properly in Black Shark is the Microsoft Force Feedback 2. And the Logitech G940 I suppose, since Wags seems to have been using one for quite a while before they were released.

 

In any case, I think ED needs to share the blame on this issue. The Logitech Force 3D Pro and the Saitek FF Cyborg( or whatever it is called) are the two most widely available FF sticks on the market, and if ED's FF implementation in BS is not compatible with them, then they should publish a list of supported FF sticks.

 

Cheers,

Pogo

[Sokol1_br]

Thanks guys. :thumbup:

 

But their force feed back circuitry is on par with whats available and a good base for a FFB stick mod.

 

Opformaster

 

Is just that I need from Logitech stick - to use with CH potentiometers,

or some DIY HALL sensor.

 

Sokol1

 

 

[StoOopiD]

if u make a logitech "BlackShark" profile, then u are stacking senstivity settings with the game's senstivity settings. Try deleting the profile and just use the software to adjust the FF only.

 

 

my problem with the Force 3D Pro is the stick constantly shakes. I can start the "Death Valley" mission with the helo completely off and the stick is shaking like crazy WTH ?:joystick:

[Guest Rapaz]

Hi

i had a logitech force 3d pro that i supposed to work properly.

Ok, i was reporting all issues posted here in forums... and more.

Some day ago the latest: the joy stopped to work in the sim after some minute of use.......After this, END OF PATIENCE. I have taken my old MIcrosoft Sidewinder 2, plugged, recognised, started the sim, ... puff, my helo is fully enjoyable. Smooth controls, working trim etc.

The only issue actually is the 'auto turn to an unwanted heading when hovering'. I cant hold the helo in the desired direction