Picky Americans... are there picky Russians, too?

[Feuerfalke]

Feurfalke sorry if it came out wrong but that was exactlky my point

 

Then: :beer:

[vrv]

We aren't talking about WW2 here ;)

[Feuerfalke]

We aren't talking about WW2 here ;)

 

Not in particular, but if there was no USA at all, as written above, things especially in WW1 and WW2 would have ended differently ;)

 

Check Post #6 and #7 I was responding to ;)

[topol-m]

This thread is going somewhat political ain`t it? Quote Forum Rules: 1.7. - No political disputes on the ED forums.

 

 

Without a western front in WW2, DCS would probably only be able to simulate German and Japanese planes. ;)

 

^^^ Me wants german and japanese planes :D

[DanKurt]

Yes it is, but it gets my goat that the USA apparently won both WW1 and WW2 all by them selves.

 

Dam they didn't get involved until they had no choice but to.

 

Yes they gave Europe the life line they needed and we are eternally grateful but they did not take control and march into Berlin on there own.

 

Far too much of Hollywood has written History....please read some history books and listen to your elders before you decide to blather on the web.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

"or even a Super Tucano"

 

You just made my day! Thought I would hardly see any mention to our aircraft around here (except on those retarded* discussions about the F-5M, the F-22 and whatsoever, most of them involving GGTharos and some other guys).

 

About the US winning world wars, honestly, is there anyone who still believe this crap*? They helped a lot, it's a fact. The main thing I would point out from the American war effort is the force of numbers, specially in terms of production. But this cannot compare at all with the heroical resistence of 'the Few', or the amazing reaction from Russia.

 

What I could say is: the USA played a major role against the Japanese, and we can even say they won the war agains Japan almost by themselves. But, honestly, anyone here thinks Japan could have done any world-scale problem :D?

 

*Sorry for the offensive terms, it's just that... It's what I think, honesty.

**OK, done with the political chatter. Now, back to the picky Americans :music_whistling:

[Feuerfalke]

Yes it is, but it gets my goat that the USA apparently won both WW1 and WW2 all by them selves.

 

Really? Who said so?

[DanKurt]

What I could say is: the USA played a major role against the Japanese, and we can even say they won the war agains Japan almost by themselves. But, honestly, anyone here thinks Japan could have done any world-scale problem :D?

:music_whistling:

 

I think you have upset a quite a few British, Australian, Indian, Dutch, Philippine nationals with that sweeping statement. (Have you ever watched the film "Bridge over the river Kwi?")

 

The Russians suffered the biggest loss of any allies during WWII and with out them we in the West would have been screwed, but to be honest their leaders had a agender all of their own which isolated them for many years after the war.

 

As we are all aware, we play a game/sim, it has no real bearing on real life situations or history.

Making sweeping statements about how good this is or that will only get you shot down in flames as their is always someone more knowledgeable or experienced than you think you are.

(I wholey include myself in that statement, as I only quote what I have learned through reading history books, I have no real experience of warfare .... thank god!)

 

I hope I havent upset anyone with my posts, but people need to learn more of the facts about Warfare past and present before making statements which are inaccurate.:thumbup:

[Bulletstop]

removed by me

Edited November 13, 2009 by Bulletstop
Must not get involved in plotical arguements, against the rulez :)

[zakobi]

Are you sure?

 

Without a western front in WW2, DCS would probably only be able to simulate German and Japanese planes. ;)

What about italians?

[Lucas_From_Hell]

What I could say is: the USA played a major role against the Japanese, and we can even say they won the war agains Japan almost by themselves. But, honestly, anyone here thinks Japan could have done any world-scale problem :D?

:music_whistling:

 

I think you have upset a quite a few British, Australian, Indian, Dutch, Philippine nationals with that sweeping statement. (Have you ever watched the film "Bridge over the river Kwi?")

 

I think it sounded a bit agressive there, but let me explain this to avoid any problems...

 

What I mean by major role isn't that they could have done it without any help. Is that most of the war effort in the PTO was held by them. The "almost by themselves" was only to see if I can activate some picky members, only for prooving there aren't just picky Americans :D

[Warbird_242]

Right I'm going to play the diplomat here and say can we get back on Topic? Lets forget the political dispute before we get a smacked bottom by the moderators :)

[lawndartleo]

Right I'm going to play the diplomat here and say can we get back on Topic? Lets forget the political dispute before we get a smacked bottom by the moderators :)

 

Are they horse whip weilding, dominatrix type moderators who look like Jessica Biel and dress in skin tight transparent vinyl outfits?

 

Anyways, yes, could we? I still haven't seen a response from our Russians friends. Some insight would be appreciated.

Edited November 13, 2009 by lawndartleo

[topol-m]

Once upon a time in not so distant threads...

"I want F/A-18; No Mig-29 is better; No you`ve got your Fulcrum in Lock on it`s time for F-16; Are you serious F-16 is a pus**y in air-to-air combat give me Su-35; Dude how many Su-35 are there in active service besides F-22 is owning it; Oh enough with these US an russian planes we want Eurofighter cause it`s a multirole fighter; So what, Rafale is a multirole too and may i say it`s the best modern 4.5 gen European fighter; Yeah right, you don`t even know what 4.5 gen is, i`ll tell you what it is - Gripen besides it has already been exported unlike others...; May I say that you guys had your jet fighters and we heli lovers got only Ka-50, so if i may propose...; Get the f*&^ out of here with your slow movers!; You may not know that but after DCS: A-10C Apache is coming and after that it`s...; Wait for the Hog to be completed and then talk about next modules, you troll; Hey i think instead of Apache next module should be Hind, it will give us a great variety of missions like troop transport and deployment for example; Dude that`s a sim go play ARMA if you like transports; Ok i`m from China and i`ve got to say I`m very disappointed that you guys, yeah you from ED are ignoring in your sims the chinese aviation industry and i want to see at least one chinese fighter in your games; Is that so, which one J-7 a.k.a. Mig-21?; Planes from the 80s-90s are nice but wouldn`t it be great if we have something a little bit more modern like F-35 furthermore it`s going to be mass produced and has VTOL; You know that 90% percent of it`s systems are secret right, caveman? Besides no real fighter pilot likes VTOL, i mean is this a plane or a heli, you`ve got your ka-50 already go make Vertical take offs and landings with it..."

And so the circle closes and everything ends and starts again at the same time.

Edited November 13, 2009 by topol-m

[VMFA117_Poko]

:megalol: Great summary T!

[Boberro]

Great Topol :D

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Once upon a time in not so distant threads...

"I want F/A-18; No Mig-29 is better; No you`ve got your Fulcrum in Lock on it`s time for F-16; Are you serious F-16 is a pus**y in air-to-air combat give me Su-35; Dude how many Su-35 are there in active service besides F-22 is owning it; Oh enough with this US an russian planes we want Eurofighter cause it`s a multirole fighter; So what, Rafale is a multirole too and may i say it`s the best modern 4.5 gen European fighter; Yeah right, you don`t even know what 4.5 gen is, i`ll tell you what it is - Gripen besides it has already been exported unlike others...; May I say that you guys had your jet fighters and we heli lovers got only Ka-50, so if i may propose...; Get the f*&^ out of here with your slow movers; You may not know that but after DCS: A-10C Apache is coming and after that it`s...; Wait for the Hog to be completed and then talk about next modules, you troll; Hey i think instead of Apache next module should be Hind, it will give us a great variety of missions like troop transport and deployment for example; Dude that`s a sim go play ARMA if you like transports; Ok i`m from China and i`ve got to say I`m very disappointed that you guys, yeah you from ED are ignoring in your sims the chinese aviation industry and i want to see at least one chinese fighter in your games; Is that so, which one J-7 a.k.a. Mig-21?; planes from the 80s-90s are nice but wouldn`t it be great if we have something a little bit more modern like F-35 furthermore it`s going to be mass produced and has VTOL; You know that 90% percent of it`s systems are secret right, caveman? Besides no real fighter pilot likes VTOL, i mean is this a plane or a heli, you`ve got your ka-50 already go make Vertical take offs and landings with it..."

And so the circle closes and everything ends and starts again at the same time.

 

:megalol:

 

That's pretty much what it is. Great one, Topol :thumbup:!

 

A stupid question here: was it 100% confirmed that the next DCS title after A-10C will be AH-64A?

 

If it was, I think they've taken too serious the whining of the mudders: "if we do two helicopters and one ground attack aircraft that is almost slower than the helis, there won't be whining about those mean fighter pilots that always kick the A-10 and Su-25 in the butt during a strike" (no offense, I just had to :D). I mean, having two dedicated ground-attack aircraft is nice. But three in a row? My point is, is ground-attack interesting to the point of doing three titles only about it? Multirole would be nicer, for example...

[VMFA117_Poko]

There is no stupid questions - only stupid answers :smartass:

 

It's not 100% sure that AH-64A will come just after A-10C mod but it may happen ;)

[Lucas_From_Hell]

You've just made me feel better about it.

 

I hope it doesn't happen. Just for starting it, the AH-64 is a two-seat helicopter. I don't know how most of you feel about it, but this isn't a very good feature to me, at least. In the Ka-50, one of the big things about it is the fact it does almost everything the Apache does, and with only one man aboard (now, this wasn't written to do so, but I think it might attract those picky americans the author mentioned :music_whistling:)

 

I don't dislike the Apache at all, but I think we already have a nice number of dedicated air-to-ground aircraft. We, just like the airforces, need multi-role :D!

[VMFA117_Poko]

You shouldn't feel much better now when I'll say it is likely to happen but as I said no 100% promises.

[Feuerfalke]

What about italians?

 

They are only implemented as AI-planes. :P

[lawndartleo]

Anyone remember back to the days of Longbow and Longbow 2? Are you going to tell me that if ED came up with the modern day spiritual successor to the Longbow franchise, you wouldn't be delighted? I am not being a fanboi of US hardware here, or whirly-birds for that matter - Longbow was simply a stellar game/simulation that just happened to be based upon the AH-64.

[lawndartleo]

What about italians?

 

It's impossible to get them to fly a mission after 430 PM.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Anyone remember back to the days of Longbow and Longbow 2? Are you going to tell me that if ED came up with the modern day spiritual successor to the Longbow franchise, you wouldn't be delighted? I am not being a fanboi of US hardware here, or whirly-birds for that matter - Longbow was simply a stellar game/simulation that just happened to be based upon the AH-64.

 

I'm not saying I would dislike it. I like the Apache (used to play Gunship!). My problem isn't against the AH-64 at all. It's about the functions it applies for. It doesn't make much sense to have three (four, if we count Flaming Cliffs and the Su-25T) simulators focusing on aircraft that can only play ground attack roles. Where's the class of that elegant dogfight? When we will see again those marvelous high-G pulls, the rolls, and all the magic air combat is about? Or we are faded to live on the dirty world of CAS, shooting soldiers, exploding veichles and positions instead?

[VMFA117_Poko]

Ofcourse everyone would love hi-G pulls in dogfight. Those simmers who don't admit it's a poor fun are (how I call them) "rioters on principle". But it's not all about it. Probably ED has US Army contract (thanks to Wags contacts I supose) on developing AH-64A desktop simulator or maybe something bigger. Maybe they will be able to use data from contracted sim in commercial DCS mod. "Maybe" if US client will allow them to use it for such a purpose. I believe there is no top secret technology in AH-64A so it's likely to happen.