Sven_richmond Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 Hi. I've been looking for a map of the Caucasus with the NDB frequencies on it. I like to have this information beforehand when I go to fly. I prefer that to have to look for it in the ABRIS. It'd be a good idea to be able to see the NDB frequencies in the Mission Editor map. Why haven't you implemented it? I haven't found this information in the manual... nor anything about airfields... Any clue about where could I find this information? (apart from the ABRIS) Thanks!
Waldo_II Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 If DCS uses the same NDB frequencies that the respective airfields use in real life, then a combination of Wikipedia, Google Maps, and World Earo Data.com should do fine. If you have the city the airport is in, you can easily just use Google and find the name of the airport, or you can use a wikipedia list, like this list of airports in Georgia[/ul]. Use Google Maps to make sure you have the right airport at the right location. Once you have the ICAO code for the airbase you want, you can put that right into the field at http://www.worldaerodata.com/ . That website will give you the NDB frequency of the airport. Military bases don't seem to have NDBs. The Guadata airbase doesn't for some reason. If it has an NDB, then it doesn't seem to like to give the frequency out.
Frederf Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 It'd be kinda silly to have NDB frequencies before you fly the Ka-50, it doesn't have any way to tune frequencies even if you knew them!
Sven_richmond Posted December 11, 2009 Author Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) You are right. I'm just learning how to navigate with the Ka-50 and I had mistakenly understood that you could somehow tune the NDB you wanted since you can get the frequencies in the info page of the ABRIS. Just disregard my previous post. And excuse me for not reading the manual thoroughly enough. Anyway... navigation in Lock On was really bad implemented (or simply unimplemented). Way worse that in any other study sim I remember. It's much better now with Black Shark but... how far is it still from real? Do real Ka-50 pilots have always to work with presyntonized stations? Do these helicopters really lack regular ADF and TACAN? These questions are important for me. Please, could anyone give me an answer? I'd like to know wheter it's simply Eagle Dynamics' way of doing things or just that Russian reality is like that. Thanks! Edited December 11, 2009 by Sven_richmond
Frederf Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 That's OK, you assumed the normal way aircraft radios work and the Ka-50 is a weird bird. We're all learning and making mistakes all the time. The ADF system in the Ka-50 is what it is. I don't know for sure but I think the ADF system is not the primary navigation instrument used in real life. The ADF in the Ka-50 is certainly a regular ADF in every sense of the word apart from the channel-frequency issue. The Ka-50 does lack any sort of VOR/TACAN navigation capability whatsooever though. You're asking is the DCS:BS navigation real? Well I think yes and no. First the actual physical instruments and their capabilities is modeled quite well but the navigational practices and procedures is probably not. There is quite a lot of "Russian reality" in the sim from a technical point of view.
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EvilBivol-1 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Feel free to correct me, but as far as I know, the Russian equivalent to VOR/TACAN/VORTAC is RSBN, which has not become as widely used as VOR/TACAN in the West. In either case, the Ka-50 is not equipped with an RSBN system. Its primary means of route navigation would be the INS and, if available, GPS. Radio navigation would likely be used for inbound/approach purposes. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Frederf Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 EB, do you have any info on how Russian aviation uses these NDBs for approaches? Are the inner/outer only used for instrument approaches? It appears that a given runway (example RWY 09-27) would have 4 NDBs, an inner for 09, outer 09, inner 27, and outer 27. The inner 09 and inner 27 would be on the same frequency as would the outer 09 and outer 27. If the wind is blowing so that 09 is in use the guy in the control tower shuts off the inner and outer for 27 and vice versa.
sweinhart3 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 My questions is outside of an instrument approach, is there really even any reason an NDB/ADF could possibly be useful unless it is purely a backup emergency instrument? GPS does an excellent job of giving you a visual representation on a moving map. I havent once used my ADF. The ABRIS tells you everything you need to know. Also, why didnt they (Kamov) tie in the INU with the GPS so that INU updates are not necessary? Would have also been nice because navigation and target points could have been pulled off of your flight plan instead of having to lase a target, save it, find the latitude/longitude coordinates, then manually punch them into the PVI. Tieing communications between those 2 pieces of equipment would save a lot of manual pilot work. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
EvilBivol-1 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 The ABRIS system was not native to the Ka-50. It was installed after the combat trials in Chechnya, but was never fully integrated with the navigation suite. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Sven_richmond Posted December 12, 2009 Author Posted December 12, 2009 Thanks, doom! That's almost exactly what I was looking for. Obviously NDB (or whatever is called in Russian aeronautics) is a backup system. Even today's aircraft carry ADF in their cockpits which are seldom used unless they lose every other primary navigation system. But they still have it. The only reason why I wanted to fiddle with Ka-50's ADF (useless as it may seem) is that I think what I'd do if I could fly the real copter and then I try to reproduce it in Black Shark as far as it allows me. Since I'd like to be able to find a friendly airfield in case I'm lost in a foggy day and with my primary nav system blown up...I want to have the nearer NDB frequencies at hand to know, at least, where to run. Thank you all for your help!
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