Mystic object over North Norway

[Kusch]

Mystic object over North Norway

 

http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/distrikt/nordnorge/verdi/117699

http://www.altaposten.no/lokalt/web_tv/article316473.ece

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.6902336

 

 

 

And newest comment from spaceweather:

 

''Circumstantial evidence is mounting that the phenomenon was caused by a malfunctioning suborbital rocket, possibly a Bulava ICBM launched from a Russian submarine in the White Sea.''

[MoGas]

hmm...

[sniffer]

Heard about this today and don't know what to think about it :noexpression: Funniest theory was that Russia tests new rocket system or something ;)

[EtherealN]

"Funniest"?

[sniffer]

Yes - IMO it's not the way how it looks :) Of course I could be wrong but actually I don't believe in such revelations...

[Kusch]

Missile defect simulation:

 

[topol-m]

We come in peace :alien:

[Boberro]

It is due to LHC..., Half-Life story is coming.... who will be Freeman?

Edited December 10, 2009 by Boberro

[MBot]

Missile failure sounds plausible. There are pictures somehwere (which I can't find right now) about another russian SLBM launch failure some years ago where the missile would corkscrew into the sky.

Edited December 10, 2009 by MBot

[topol-m]

It is due of LHC..., Half-Life story is coming.... who will be Freeman?

 

We all are going to be Freemen, and then Deadmen. :cheer3nc:

[EtherealN]

Yes - IMO it's not the way how it looks :) Of course I could be wrong but actually I don't believe in such revelations...

 

Compare those smoke trails with THAD test launches. The THAD launches at White Sands used a spiralling initial profile to diminish the energy of the missile to ensure that it would not have enough energy to go outside of the missile range (and potentially be recovered by foreign agencies, I suspect). The smoke trail in that picture has that signature wherefore I would conclude that whatever was flying there was flying in a spiralling pattern and/or a direct pattern but with spiralling exhaust. The latter could be ahieved through an unstable aerodynamic profile causing the exhaust to spiral even if the projectile trajectory itself does not. (This can be observed with regular civilian market fireworks if you tamper with them a bit to cause them to malfunction, which I have done but definitely would not recommend anyone else to do because you can lose fingers and limbs.)

 

The spiral light pattern would require further analysis that is above my paygrade (so to speak) but I would expect a very simple photometric explanation.

 

In response to Mbot though:

Missile failres sounds plausible. There are pictures somehwere (which I can't find right now) about another russian SLBM launch failure some years ago where the missile would corkscrew into the sky.

 

Note that a corkscrew flight profile would not on it's own indicate a failure. There are many reasons to induce such a behaviour within or after a succesful test depending on what you are testing, including limiting ballistic range (for ease of recovery and/or limiting enemy recovery capability).

[MBot]

Note that a corkscrew flight profile would not on it's own indicate a failure. There are many reasons to induce such a behaviour within or after a succesful test depending on what you are testing, including limiting ballistic range (for ease of recovery and/or limiting enemy recovery capability).

 

Intersting info, I didn't think about that. The other launch I remember was a failure though, as the missile was falling appart in the process.

[topol-m]

THAAD`s trajectory is different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXtWYKiHL8&feature=related from 2:17 onwards

And I can`t think of a reason this to be a missile movement on purpose. What would be the reason for so many circles?

And what is strange is that if there was some kind of booster malfunction causing it to spin uncontrolable in circles why are the circles so regular, check it out it`s a perfect spiral? I mean shouldn`t it look more like:

 

Edited December 10, 2009 by topol-m

[EtherealN]

THAD trajectories vitnessed by the public are different in detail, but not (necessarily) in the underlying theory.

 

And the explanation for regular spin is simple: regular differential thrust inducing the spin. You would only get that chaotic spin if the cause of the spin is irregular and from what is shown so far there is no reason to assume that it would have to be irregular.

 

EDIT: Note that I'm not really saying it must have been a successful launch. What I am basically combating here is the common mistake of thinking "I can't explain this, therefore it's aliens". While I am personally very sure that there is indeed alien life - even intelligent alien life - out there in the universe I have never been convinced by any of the "evidence" for the specific claim of that life actually visiting us - which is something things like this often end up being used to "prove".

Edited December 10, 2009 by EtherealN

[topol-m]

Hmm maybe you`re right but I haven`t seen such regular circling unless it`s on purpose, and I don`t see why a missile should be made to do 7-8 or more circles :huh: Note that if this is Bulava we are talking about a SLBM it should get altitude as fast as it can.

 

Hahaha that about the aliens was a joke :D Until I see a ship or their ugly little gray faces I don`t belive it`s them that are making that airshow.

Edited December 10, 2009 by topol-m

[EtherealN]

But I can bet you a lot of money that other people out there will indeed say that this is a "UFO" not in the sense of "Unidentified Flying Object" but "ALIENS OMG!!!" :P

 

But yeah, that is my specific point - the patter may be so regular precisely because it is done on purpose. The exact purpose I don't know, but there are many possiblities.

 

EDIT: Although on closer inspection of that photo in the OP - there's nothing regular about that trail at all. Note how the width of the circles become bigger as the object travels, indicating an unstable flight profile.

Edited December 10, 2009 by EtherealN

[topol-m]

EDIT: Although on closer inspection of that photo in the OP - there's nothing regular about that trail at all. Note how the width of the circles become bigger as the object travels, indicating an unstable flight profile.

 

I don`t know man, with so much technology, radars, satellites, etc. I kind of think the military should know the exact time the missile has been launched. It`s not like it was launched somewhere in Siberia... If it was close to Norway the russians probably have announced such test are going to be conducted. So I wonder is it so hard to see when the missile has been launched and does this time coincide with that phenomenon. :doh:

D@mn military all they have to do is announce - "we`ve detected a missile launch at .... hours .... km from ..." Skinflint @sses.

Edited December 10, 2009 by topol-m

[sniffer]

OK, ok - I give You back honour :)

 

Dec 9 Bulava missile launch failed – Defense Ministry

 

MOSCOW. Dec 10 (Interfax-AVN) - Another launch of the Bulava ballistic missile from the Dmitry Donskoy nuclear power submarine failed on December 9, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

"It has been determined in analyzing the launch that the missile's first two stages performed as planned, but there was a technical malfunction at the next, the third, phase of the trajectory," the ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

 

NY Times link: Russian Missile Fails, Visible In Norway: Reports

 

I can't believe this is such effect and so regular on the sky!

Edited December 10, 2009 by sniffer
Another link added

[Feuerfalke]

The THAAD-System is intended to kill the target by kinetic energy, so after the the initial stabilization and lockup-phase, it races directly against the target, firing side-boosters immediately before impact for adjustment only.

 

It is highly unlikely the THAAD would enter a corcscrew-pattern before hitting the target, as it is much harder to home in doing so and the kinetic energy is lowered drastically, further limiting effectiveness.

 

I'd much more conclude that this is a system designed to spoil sensors like radar, IR or satellite surveillance, much like a smokescreen from old eras.

 

 

This also concludes with some reports that occurred numerous times over the US:

 

 

In the last weeks, the number of reports have increased in Europe as well - just a few days ago, they even had a documentary about this, because a farmer in Germany found his farmland covered with masses of chaff.

It was noted, that apparently the military releases them in vast masses over the north-sea and non-residential areas in far northern Europe and the weather blows them back over middle and southern Europe.

 

I think, this is a much more likely conclusion for what was seen here.

[topol-m]

Again no exact time of launch and no exact time of phenomenon witnessing. :mad:

[EtherealN]

Topol, but if you are testing something that is cutting edge, the only thing you'll achieve if you announce that you'll be doing a test is to tell the yanks (and norwegian NATO stations) that they should please point every surveillance gear they've got in that direction. :P

 

Aside from that: maybe they did announce it - to NATO brass. There's no reason to expect us to know about it right away since well, very few of us are brass in either NATO or russia. ;)

 

And now we have official confirmation, it seems.

 

Sniffer, as I mentioned there is nothing "regular" in the sky about that one. Study the smoketrails and you'll see a quite unstable flight profile.

 

What would you propose as a more likely explanation?

[topol-m]

ka-50 with rocket boosters testing? It can circle.

[EtherealN]

It is highly unlikely the THAAD would enter a corcscrew-pattern before hitting the target, as it is much harder to home in doing so and the kinetic energy is lowered drastically, further limiting effectiveness.

 

The point I was making though is exactly that - you bleed energy through it. THAD test fires were performed with an initial corkscrew pattern to allow the missile to be tested in it's fully fueled configuration bit without giving it energy to escape the missile range. There is nothing that prevents other applications of the same thing.

 

Though it does now seem like the norwegian report of a failed Baluva test is indeed correct.

[sniffer]

What would you propose as a more likely explanation?

 

Ascension into heaven ;) (J/K!)

[topol-m]

Ok but why there is no info of the exact time the missile has been fired? If they can`t detect it there then it must be a super duper stealth SLBM miracle.