TCR 2010: Race started tonite

[golfsierra2]

The Trans Crimean Race 2010 officially started at midnight.

See

 

http://www.modern-air-combat.de/TCR2010/

 

for all details.

 

Best regards,

 

Race Control

[X-man]

Good luck everyone!! :thumbup:

[Distiler]

Are those timings for the race or for another qualification mission done before? 4 minutes for all the race is impossible O_O

Edited January 2, 2010 by Distiler

[golfsierra2]

So what's you point ?

 

The timings for the qualification were flown on a short track, not on this race track.

[Distiler]

The point was clarifying this! I didn't understand that timing table (could be titled like "qualifying times" or something like that)and I was like O_O

 

Now I understand, thanks :)

[Falcon15]

You have any time with this long missiosn? ;D

[golfsierra2]

Well,

 

it's a race and pilots should accomplish the race track as fast as possible. I am curious about what the average time will be....

[golfsierra2]

The point was clarifying this! I didn't understand that timing table (could be titled like "qualifying times" or something like that)and I was like O_O

 

Now I understand, thanks :)

 

There had been a qualification before, and the table shows the race participants with the timings that they qualified with.

 

You may have missed it, but it has been posted several times here on this forum before.

[Sanch0]

Is refueling allowed during stay on runway?

[golfsierra2]

From the ReadMe, that comes together with each race track file:

 

 

"- Save the .mis file to the mission folder of your Lock-On installation

- When you run it, record your flight as a track file

- Your task is: Take off from KHERSONES airbase and navigate along the given waypoints. Each waypoint marks

an airbase. The waypoints are just for navigation, you don't need to overfly it, but you have to stick to

the routing / sequence of airbases. Do a touch & go at EVERY AIRBASE along the flight route with the gear

down, and finally land at KERCH airbase for a full stop.

- You have do do valid touch & go's, so the tires have to touch ALL OF THE RUNWAYS (you clearly can hear it),

just a low level overflight is not considered as a valid touch & go.

- You may choose any landing / take off direction and any altitude setting.

- You may change the internal / external fuel load as required.

- The gear must not stay lowered during the flight !

- The mission file is classified, do not change any settings (wind, temperature etc.) except the fuel load.

- The race will be considered incomplete if you fail to perform a valid touch & go at one or more airbases

or in the wrong sequence. Be sure, that you did them all and in the correct sequence !"

 

There is a touch& go required for each base, except for KHERSONES (where the race starts) and KERCH (where the race ends).

From the amount of fuel, that the F-15C and Su-27 can carry internally, it wouldn't be necessary to refuel in between, provided A/B is used with care. For the MiG-29S, you could fly it as 3-tanker.

 

So, the answer is no.

This race is not only about handling an aircraft at high speed, but also about intelligent fuel management. Makes ist more challenging that way.

 

Please would somebody of the Russian fraction translate this post and post it in the Russian section ?

Thank you !

Edited January 2, 2010 by golfsierra2

[theGozr]

Ok this is bad guys.. Flying a race witch is great but no wind or turbulence? is this for a console game? The FM of the Sub-planes are bad to start with and on top you wont add turbulence and a bit of wind?

 

use the Su25 at list as well the only good of teh whole lot..

[golfsierra2]

From the TCR 2010 web page whne the race was announced last year:

 

"What is the overall procedure ?

TCR2010 will take place in two phases as an offline event. The first phase ist the qualification. All pilots may participate here, fly a simple mission and hopefully will have some fun by that already. From the qualifying participants, only the 30 fastest pilots will move on to the main race. The original TCR was flown with one aircraft only, the Su-27 Flanker. That was the only aircraft flyable in the old Flanker simulation. With Lock-On, other fast jets were introduced, of which race control choose 3 types to be used for the qualification and the race. TCR2010 will be flown using the Su-27, the F-15C and the MiG-29S, providing 3 separate race groups. Sorry, no Su-25T and A-10 allowed, the mudders must stay on the ground this time. Also the Su-33 will have plenty time for maintenance this time. All participating pilots will compete against others within their aircraft type group, and at the end of the race we will see 3 winners, one for each aircraft type."

 

No Su-25, no A-10 and we excluded the Su-33 as well.

[159th_Viper]

Ok this is bad guys.. Flying a race witch is great but no wind or turbulence? is this for a console game? The FM of the Sub-planes are bad to start with and on top you wont add turbulence and a bit of wind?.....

 

Caesar's Ghost......:disgust:

 

Is it so much of a Stretch to assume that the Race is concluded on a Fair Spring Day that sees Sunny Skies without a Breath of Wind and I Dare say not a Smidgen of Turbulence? Are you telling me that Fair Conditions are a Myth?

 

Honestly - I am sure that we can all admit that the FM needs a bit of work etc etc etc.....But surely there comes a Time when All that can be Said has been Said and Any more is just F*#king Annoying, would'nt you Say?

[theGozr]

Comon yes flying in a sim with no wind at all or some kind of air turbulence is no sens.. any aircraft traveling at a high speed will react to air pocket of some sort and themselves producing drags etc.. Flying all at 0 on a sim is a no go. Already Lockon is missing the atmosphere physics so lets not make it worse..

 

Racing an Aircraft like the SU-25T/TM is really the only qualified for such work.. weight repartition, speed limitation and controls effects, fuel quantity and handling , navigation and complex AFM.. yes this is the plane to get on competition teh rest are a joke.. I'm arch but it's the truth.

I'm sure flying the Su25's will make the competition well more interesting on the Simulation point of view.

 

IMO place some side winds as your wish and some turbulence at respective altitudes ... it will be way more fun ..

 

here a pic of a setting that would be good and not disturbing the original great idea..

Edited January 2, 2010 by theGozr

[159th_Viper]

It's True - Arrogance does Indeed Diminish Wisdom.......:huh:

[theGozr]

True, use it.. ;)

Edited January 2, 2010 by theGozr

[golfsierra2]

Racing an Aircraft like the SU-25T/TM is really the only qualified for such work.. weight repartition, speed limitation and controls effects, fuel quantity and handling , navigation and complex AFM.. yes this is the plane to get on competition teh rest are a joke.. I'm arch but it's the truth.

I'm sure flying the Su25's will make the competition well more interesting on the Simulation point of view.

 

IMO place some side winds as your wish and some turbulence at respective altitudes ... it will be way more fun ..

 

Then planning, preparing, conducting and evaluating the next air race is with you. :pilotfly:

 

You seem to be most qualified for that task.

Edited January 2, 2010 by golfsierra2

[theGozr]

You have a great idea GolfSierra no doubt.. I may take on your proposition.. I did a lot of this in our International Online Competitions.. ;)

 

lets race!!

[159th_Viper]

:music_whistling:

 

You have a great idea GolfSierra no doubt.. I may take on your proposition.. I did a lot of this in our International Online Competitions.. ;)

 

lets race!!

 

Let me Help you on this One.......;)

 

 

 

 

Pleasure :)

[theGozr]

.. ;) ..

Edited January 3, 2010 by theGozr

[Total]

Can another file mirror be provided?

 

There's no free downloads for the F-15 (been trying) and not gonna sign up for a premuim account at a site I'll never use again lol

[Atskiy_KOT]

From the ReadMe, that comes together with each race track file:

 

 

"- Save the .mis file to the mission folder of your Lock-On installation

- When you run it, record your flight as a track file

- Your task is: Take off from KHERSONES airbase and navigate along the given waypoints. Each waypoint marks

an airbase. The waypoints are just for navigation, you don't need to overfly it, but you have to stick to

the routing / sequence of airbases. Do a touch & go at EVERY AIRBASE along the flight route with the gear

down, and finally land at KERCH airbase for a full stop.

- You have do do valid touch & go's, so the tires have to touch ALL OF THE RUNWAYS (you clearly can hear it),

just a low level overflight is not considered as a valid touch & go.

- You may choose any landing / take off direction and any altitude setting.

- You may change the internal / external fuel load as required.

- The gear must not stay lowered during the flight !

- The mission file is classified, do not change any settings (wind, temperature etc.) except the fuel load.

- The race will be considered incomplete if you fail to perform a valid touch & go at one or more airbases

or in the wrong sequence. Be sure, that you did them all and in the correct sequence !"

 

There is a touch& go required for each base, except for KHERSONES (where the race starts) and KERCH (where the race ends).

From the amount of fuel, that the F-15C and Su-27 can carry internally, it wouldn't be necessary to refuel in between, provided A/B is used with care. For the MiG-29S, you could fly it as 3-tanker.

 

So, the answer is no.

This race is not only about handling an aircraft at high speed, but also about intelligent fuel management. Makes ist more challenging that way.

 

Please would somebody of the Russian fraction translate this post and post it in the Russian section ?

Thank you !

В файлике ReadMe, который идет вместе с каждой гоночной миссией указано следующее:

-Сохраните файлец .mis в папке mission в каталоге, где установлен Локон.

-Когда вы будете его проходить, не забудьте записать трек Вашего вылета.

Ваша задача:

-Взлетайте с аэродрома Херсон и следуйте по маршруту отмеченному точками. Каждая точка - это аэродром. Эти точки нужны всего лишь для навигации, не нужно пролетать сквозь каждую, чтобы она переключилась на следующую, но следует придерживаться данной очередности.

-Сделайте касание на КАЖДОМ ДРОМЕ на маршруте, выпушенным шасси, и совершите финальную посадку на дроме Керчь до полной остановки вашего транспортного средства.

-Вы должны обязательно сделать полное касание так, чтобы покрышечки коснулись каждой полосы (да, вам не послышалось, каждой), просто низко пролететь не считается как касание.

-Вы можете выбрать любое направление взлета\посадки, и можете лететь на любой высоте.

-Вы можете изменять заправку топливом, и вешать подвесные баки, как Вам будет угодно.

-Шасси не должны оставаться выпущенными в течении всего полета.

-Миссию изменять нельзя, не меняйте никакие настройки (ветер, температура и тому подобное), за исключением заправки топливом, топливо менять можно.

-Миссия будет считаться невыполненной, если вы не сделаете касание на одном или нескольких аэродромах по маршруту, или нарушите порядок аэродромов.

-Обязательно проверьте, что Вы сделали все правильно и в правильном порядке.

Необходимо сделать касание на каждой базе, за исключением Херсона, (потому что Вы с него взлетаете) и за исключением Керчи (потому что на ней заканчивается гонка, там вы садитесь)

Что касается количества топлива, которое влезает внутрь сушки и феки, нет необходимости заправлятся в течении полета, если пользоваться форсажем с умом. Для мига вы можете использовать три подвесных бака.

Один товарищ спрашивал, можно ли заправляться на промежуточных аэродромах, так вот - ОТВЕТ НЕТ!

Эта гонка не только на умение управлять звездолетом на огромной скорости, но и правильно экономить топливо. Можете это рассматривать как дополнительный вызов Вашим способностям.

[golfsierra2]

Can another file mirror be provided?

 

There's no free downloads for the F-15 (been trying) and not gonna sign up for a premuim account at a site I'll never use again lol

 

I added mirrors for download.

[golfsierra2]

A question came up in the Russian forum concerning a belly landing in Kerch to save time:

 

No belly landings, like it was in the qualification.

Land with your gear down.

 

Best regards,

 

Race Control

[Falcon15]

Can you tell me what is the best time now? Thanks :)