Su-27 Training

[SgtOneill]

Hi everyone.

 

I've recorded 1 of my flights on 104th with the Su-27 (my main aircraft) and the purpose of this video is to have all of you Su-27 Aces to help me out with critics and reviews so i can improve my fighting skills.

 

Here's the link: Su-27 Training Video

 

Bring the comments and critics! =)

Thank you all :pilotfly:

[Frostie]

The video quality is really poor for me, its hard to see whats actually happening.

Sorry.:no_sad:

 

But from what I can make out it looked to me like you got into a possible mutual kill situation, both you and the bandit engaging about 15km head on. Death or glory tactics.

Try and be a bit more protective of your virtual life by trying not to get too deep into the sheet.

Launching earlier would have helped prevent this situation.

[Krippz]

The video quality is really poor for me, its hard to see whats actually happening.

Sorry.:no_sad:

 

But from what I can make out it looked to me like you got into a possible mutual kill situation, both you and the bandit engaging about 15km head on. Death or glory tactics.

Try and be a bit more protective of your virtual life by trying not to get too deep into the sheet.

Launching earlier would have helped prevent this situation.

 

Congrats on you 1000th post!

[SgtOneill]

The video quality is really poor for me, its hard to see whats actually happening.

Sorry.:no_sad:

 

But from what I can make out it looked to me like you got into a possible mutual kill situation, both you and the bandit engaging about 15km head on. Death or glory tactics.

Try and be a bit more protective of your virtual life by trying not to get too deep into the sheet.

Launching earlier would have helped prevent this situation.

 

 

Thank You for the post.

 

Im limited to youtube quality. I'll try a better one next time. Otherwise ill just upload it to an FTP for better quality and size.

 

I'll try to stay back a bit more. But it seems to be really hard to kill with the Su-27 with so many F-15's around. Maddogging 120 and ARHM in general are bad news for the Su-27. But im sure its an awesome fighter and i want to put up a fight for them eagles.

[Frostie]

I'll try to stay back a bit more. But it seems to be really hard to kill with the Su-27 with so many F-15's around. Maddogging 120 and ARHM in general are bad news for the Su-27. But im sure its an awesome fighter and i want to put up a fight for them eagles.

It sure is hard to engage Eagle's and Fulcrum's with a single Flanker, your best bet is to hook up with a buddy, get on TS and co-ordinate some organised chaos. :)

[ScEBlack1]

I dont see many "maddogging" 120's on 104th, maybe what you are seeing is "defensive" 120's, which is a scare tactic to put you on defensive and then a follow up kill 120 shot. Granted there may be a person or two who fire them as fast as it is possible with the new few second delay mode, but, the reason that has been implemented is so there is no more "maddoging".

 

It is best mate to post a track, it is easier for us to see what is going on and it looks a whole lot better, post a track and people can help you much more, take care.

[159th_Royalman]

I've been discussing tactics with a few of my squad members about the Su27 vs F15. One vs. One.

 

My squad mate Fudd, he likes to go high with his eagle and I'm talking about 50,000ft +. The Su27 can do the same in FC2, because of the engine tweak! But that's not what you want to do! Because the F15C has a few massive advantages you need to be aware off:

 

It can launch silently with TWS mode. The defense against this is to turn on your ECM. But the F15c will HOJ shot you, and those launches are silent as well. And once the F15 has burn through it can use TWS again (Is that a bug BTW, or is that realistic??).

So in a 1 vs. 1 engagement no matter what you do you will always have a silent AMRAAM heading your way without a launch warning. Yes, it might seems a bit unfair, but just live with it!

 

So if you are flying at high altitude it is more or less suicide. Because the closing speed is very high (otherwise you will drop out of the sky at high alt) and because the AIM120 hardly looses any energy at high altitude.

 

So I decided to fight at low altitude. Fudd (F15) was cruising at 14000 meter, and I (Su27) was down below at 5000 meters. I can launch override my R27ER's from a very long distance (70-80km). The ER will start climbing to thin air, and if the F15 does not change it's course it will suffer the consequences. As a result he needs to start descending, that's exactly what you want! You want him down at low altitude!

 

Meanwhile you start descending slowly at low airspeed. Remember that I said you almost certainly have a silent AIM120 heading you way. So if you reduce the closure speed, by flying very slow, descending to thicker air and by constantly jinking you can evade long range AMRAAM's while keeping head on and a lock on your target!

 

The F15 on the other had has to got defensive, because the range of the R27ER is much longer. There will be a time where you do have an AMRAAM your way which has been launched from much closer distance, you can still evade that one using your RWR and buckets of chaff!

 

The trick is to fly very slow, to keep the F15 at long distance and to keep him defensive at all times. If the F15 makes a mistake you will kill him! Try to get closer and closer, keeping him defensive and finish him of with a single R27ET. Also the F15 will use a lot of missiles, and he might even run out! And if you stay far away from him you can easily disengage and escape if you feel uncomfortable about the situation.

 

So that's what you want to do. Keep him at bay and at low altitude, after all you have the advantage in missile range!

 

Oh and don't forget your G-warm up!! :smilewink:

[SgtOneill]

Thanks for the tip Royalman, I'll try that. But you know its hard to go on a 1on1 on a public server xD

 

I usually fly at 5000 km / 6000 km. At 11000 km or more the aircraft doesnt seem to maneuver as well and its so easy to get a 120 up the arse. hehe

 

Having that in mind ill try to keep at 5000 km and start firing ER's at very long range knowing they are only to turn the enemy on a defensive position.

 

Here's a Track my todays Multiplayer session.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1739057/client-20100402-144311.miz.trk

 

First fight of the day was weird, the enemy was low and (i thought) close enough to fire a few ER's and go home. But it didnt work that way.

 

Have a look and ill be waiting the critics =)

[SgtOneill]

Here's another track from just a bit ago.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1739057/client-20100403-200042.miz.trk

I still dont understand. My situation awareness is NULL and still not being able to score anything. =/

[SFJackBauer]

Very nice tips Royalman. Thanks for sharing. :thumbup: