What HOTAS to get?

[Lava]

Yes i want that to happen, because i know how to trim ;) I also know that the MSFFB2 works this way and it does so brilliantly.

 

Apart from that, how does the stick not suddenly change FF levels now? It suddenly quirks when you release the trim button. With the limpness, you just press, move, release. The way you advertise, you always oversteer because it jumps when you release. The real thing works this way as well.

 

The stick -does- change FF levels when trim is activated, and I think it's a problem, but a small one. It only influences one game, DCS:BS, and I can still manage to trim beautifully with the stick. I trim as per the 'real pilots' by holding trim button until on new course and I have great success.

 

We can't have it both ways. If the trim jump's annoying, then your suggestion wouldn't work well.

 

Having never used the MSFFB2, I can't compare it. Comparing it to an out-of-production stick isn't very helpful anyway :)

[Pilotasso]

My X-52 stick failed just shortly after the warranty expired... :(

Throttle still works fine though, but it's almost no good without mode-select/pinkie-switch.

And yes, the twist was a little bit annoying, aswell as the buttons on top of the stick (hard to reach).

 

I've been waiting for the TM for like 6 months now :(

 

 

Edit: Also, the slider on the rudder is... bouncy. You have to struggle to get it fixed (I use it for zoom and the view is all back and forth).

 

Ah, might try and get it fixed then, if the TM isn't coming soon...

 

You do know you can change the rest height. So either you forgot to adjust it or your hands are really really tiny. :) On he other side, too bad it broke, I was lucky mine lasted 3 years and it was second hand.

 

Wait for Warthog HOTAS. I said previously that I would aquire the X65F but havent donne so far. The Throtle stiffness kept me away from it. Im a little low on the motivation side to spend money right now.

[sobek]

We can't have it both ways. If the trim jump's annoying, then your suggestion wouldn't work well.

 

Why not? If you apply no force prior to trimming, you can't oversteer and there is no sudden change in forces. And again, in a real helicopter, the stick goes limb when you press trim. Why should it be different in the simulation?

 

 

Having never used the MSFFB2, I can't compare it. Comparing it to an out-of-production stick isn't very helpful anyway :)

 

The MSFFB2 is still THE reference, as far as FFB sticks go, i had one borrowed from a friend and AFAIK, it is the only stick that really works as intended.

[Lava]

Why not? If you apply no force prior to trimming, you can't oversteer and there is no sudden change in forces. And again, in a real helicopter, the stick goes limb when you press trim. Why should it be different in the simulation?

The MSFFB2 is still THE reference, as far as FFB sticks go...

 

Sobek, I hope this entire discussion is pointless when the patch comes out ;) You make me want to hunt down a MSFFB2 to see how it works with BS!

 

About the cancellation of forces when trimming.... let's assume it works how you want for a moment:

The stick is trimmed forward already in this example.

You press the trim button.

The force on the stick that was holding it forward is immediately canceled.

The stick rocks backwards to neutral position, throwing the Black Shark off course.

 

You could try to compensate for the force change, but it's just like compensating for the force change when you lift off the trim button. You would have to anticipate it and make sure the stick didn't move. The way the trim acts when you lift off the trim button has caused complaints, and I think the G940 would act the same in your hypothetical case. In any case, let's not derail the thread further talking about a theoretical problem with a theoretical fix to a stick that's getting a patch soon anyway.

[sobek]

The force on the stick that was holding it forward is immediately canceled.

The stick rocks backwards to neutral position, throwing the Black Shark off course.

 

Ok, i can see a big misunderstanding here. I do not say the stick should return to it's stock center when the trim button is depressed, but should cancel all forces alltogether, until the trim button is released again. At the moment of release, it should designate a new center position and apply forces accordingly. I hope you understand what i mean. I agree on not derailing this thread further though.

[LukeFF]

how bout products from ch...

 

Just what I was about to suggest. :D

[coolts]

It looks like once the TM HOTAS comes in we will have all the 2010 choices available to us, (nowt from CH).

I hope TM dont balls it up as all the competition have blatant achillies heels, (stiff rudder, no movement, centre slop, FFB that doesnt work in DCS:BS, no idle detents, etc).

[coder1024]

The problem with the TM Hotas is you need an additional rudder unit that costs you an additional 80€. If the Warthog Hotas price will be the same as the old cougar, that would be fine but i expect it to cost a lot more.

That's not really a problem imo. If you're going to spend > $300 on a HOTAS you're probably serious enough to get a pair of rudder pedals and the expense for those is likely not going to kill the deal.

[Sinner6]

CH stuff is very versatile, reliable and just plain good.

 

Mine is CH hotas setup is 6 years old and still works just as good as it did on day 1, no slop, no spiking, no finicky or mushy buttons.