USAF Textbook Attack Procedures

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Hello guys.

 

I'm interested in RL textbook GAU-8/LAU attack rules/procedures for real A-10 pilots.

What's the standart initial altitudes, angles, speeds, thrust you need to set up before strafing/diving?

I've read some stuff written by RL pilots, including A-10 pilots, so I know little bit about tactics and approach, Initial Points and stuff like that.

I've heard/read from Ironhand about 280kias for initial speed for dive, but since we've lost autothrust in FC2 - we need to control speed manualy (and i found it pretty hard, to be honest).

 

So.. any RL tables/instructions/schemes?

Edited June 11, 2010 by L0ckAndL0ad

[GGTharos]

Just practice a standard drive - how steep do you want it to be? 10 degrees? 20? 30?

 

Always set up your gun run so you dive at that angle - that is your standard process ... from there on, practice holding speed in the dive. Open airbrakes, reduce throttle, see how it works until you find the right combo and then practice it until it's second nature.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

GGTharos

Yeah, I know about standard attack process. I've read Andy Bush's A2G guides on SimHQ site, but there's nothing said about standard initial altitude and other numbers. Well, not exactly. Andy described how to use CCIP pipper (6 o'clock indication -- for LAU and GAU-8 for soft targets, and little closer for GAU-8 and hard targets). Also he said about steep angle for steady aiming (shallow angles = bad aiming), and so on. But.. Speed? Altitude? Throttle?

 

My problem is in maintaining speed, first of all. I have no problems in killing targets if i accidentally set throttle, dive angle, altitude so my speed remains the same, but it's totally random values for me. I want to know what values RL A-10 pilots are using?

Edited June 11, 2010 by L0ckAndL0ad

[GGTharos]

How are they going to tell you? ...

 

Maintaining speed is something you must simply train for. Enter the dive, set up your parameters and that is it.

 

You're basically naming the problem, and you should already know the solution: If it's 'random', make it not be. Practice entering the dive at specific speed, with your trim set, and airbrake and throttle in some given position.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Maintaining speed is something you must simply train for.

And how do RL pilots doing it? There's gotta be some textbook with tables and values, or just experienced instructors who know it, isn't it? Or they will just let their pilots to waste ammo until they find it out on their own?

 

I flew through the whole A-10A campaign in FC1 on "Ace" settings several times, flew lotsa player's custom missions and campaigns, and now i still can kill 4 fuel trucks + 4 tanks in original FC2 GAU-8 and LAU training mission with same "Ace" settings and with no autothrottle, but sometimes i waste the whole GAU-8 ammo just to kill those 4 fuel trucks. And that's just because I do it little bit randomly.

Also, I saw some people talking about numbers and values to use in standard Su-25 A2G gun/LAU attack in russian forum.. so.. There's gotta be something, may be?

[Moa]

He's something I do to save ammo - get closer. If you are spraying targets from long range you're just wasting rounds, since small angular aiming errors get projected as large distance deviations at long range. I only fire from long range if I think there are MANPADs in the target area and I don't want to overfly the target, otherwise I simply get close.

 

Just because the GAU-8 can kill stuff at long range doesn't mean you open up as soon as you can. I get to 0.6 to 0.5 nm before firing a short burst and that is enough to get the job done (although the heaviest Main Battle Tanks can sometimes take several bursts).

 

The insane (that is, bullsh!t) accuracy of fire from BTR-80 and BMPs make this more hazardous in FC2 than in FC1. In fact, I worry far less about the radar-assisted Shilka than the iron sighted and slot visioned BTR-80, so something is very wrong there, but that's a topic for another thread.

[RIPTIDE]

The insane (that is, bullsh!t) accuracy of fire from BTR-80 and BMPs make this more hazardous in FC2 than in FC1. In fact, I worry far less about the radar-assisted Shilka than the iron sighted and slot visioned BTR-80, so something is very wrong there, but that's a topic for another thread.

Yep. The BMP is now very deadly.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Enemy shoots back, that's right. And, like I said before, Andy Bush (he's real pilot) suggesting in his tutorial to shoot when CCIP analog range bar shows 6 o'clock, it's about 1.2-1nm. It applies to LAU vs. hard targets and GAU-8 vs. soft targets. If it comes to a hard target - he's suggesting 3 o'clock (like you said, about 0.6nm). But I was trying to shoot fuel trucks from 1nm distance, not tanks. You can look up Ironhand's video tutorial "A-10A vs Shilka" -- he's saying to do it from 1.2 to 1.0nm (else it will try to kill you). So, I don't think that 1nm is not enough for some paper-thin fuel truck. The range isn't the issue in my case. It's about maintaining dive angle&speed.

 

Also, yeah, the fire from BTR-80 and BMPs is really too accurate and too deadly as for me. But that's the different story.

[Wags]

Hello guys.

 

I'm interested in RL textbook GAU-8/LAU attack rules/procedures for real A-10 pilots.

What's the standart initial altitudes, angles, speeds, thrust you need to set up before strafing/diving?

I've read some stuff written by RL pilots, including A-10 pilots, so I know little bit about tactics and approach, Initial Points and stuff like that.

I've heard/read from Ironhand about 280kias for initial speed for dive, but since we've lost autothrust in FC2 - we need to control speed manualy (and i found it pretty hard, to be honest).

 

So.. any RL tables/instructions/schemes?

 

I sincerely doubt you'll find such unclassified documents. Even more so than systems documents, tactics documents are most often even more sensitive because if an enemy knows how you fight, they can better take measures counter them.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

I sincerely doubt you'll find such unclassified documents. Even more so than systems documents, tactics documents are most often even more sensitive because if an enemy knows how you fight, they can better take measures counter them.

 

That's too bad, cuz I really wanted to fly like THEY do. It's more interesting level of simulation.

 

So, I guess there's nothing better than those Andy's tutorials, huh?

 

Then I will leave those precious links here for someone like me %)

 

Hog Basics: RAF Bentwaters Tactics Guide, 1982

A-10 CCIP Bombing In LOMAC

Mavericks, Rockets, and the Gun - Air To Mud Shooting In The Hog

[CaptZoomy]

Take a look at page 2 of A-10 CCIP Bombing In LOMAC. I believe some of what you are looking for is in the chart at the bottom of the page. Here is the link directly to it:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_101p.html

[L0ckAndL0ad]

CaptZoomy

Yes, I've seen this chart, and it's part of what I was looking for. It's barely readable, but still good. This chart simply shows you when it's time to run away after bomb release. I mean, how not to be killed by your own bomb during the bomb run.

[mvsgas]

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA404961&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

This should point you in the right direction, not sure if you would be able to find the actual manuals.

Edited June 12, 2010 by mvsgas

[159th_Viper]

.....I mean, how not to be killed by your own bomb during the bomb run.

 

Gotta luv CCRP :D

[L0ckAndL0ad]

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA404961&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

This should point you in the right direction, not sure if you would be able to find the actual manuals.

 

Oh, thank you, this looks like really the right direction. I'll try to find some more by using references from this document.

Edited June 12, 2010 by L0ckAndL0ad

[VTJS17_Fire]

The operations procedures (linky by mvsgas) is a good beginning. You'll find minimum altitudes such as for gun or a/g weapons, minimum speeds and minimum ranges (minimum range for the GAU-8 is 800 feet) for a/g attacks.

 

Another good document is the AFI 11-2A-OA-10V1 "Aircrew Training".

 

kind regards,

fire

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Many thanks, Fire! I've found some interesting stuff in Chapter 5(pages 50+) of AFI 11-2A-OA-10V1 "Aircrew Training" -- WEAPONS DELIVERY/EMPLOYMENT QUALIFICATION. This is how they do the trainings. All of the qualification normatives/standards for weapons delivery trainings are out there. Thank you!