Airsmetten Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Hi guys, I've seen the start up of the A-10 a few time in real life and you could hear the engine surge really good when the engine spooled up. Can't hear this typical A-10 sound in the sim. Any chance this will be added later on? Greetings Rick ------------------------- Win7 64 i7 860 Patriot 4Gb DDR3 1333Mhz Vapor-X HD 5870OC 1*24" -------------------------- ------------------------- Windows 7 64bit Intel Core i7 860 @ 4.0GHz Corsair Vengeance LP 16Gb DDR3 1600MHz MSI GeForce GTX 970 4Gb 1*24" -------------------------- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
diveplane Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 typical a10 sound is in the sim, dont know what you mean by surge whats that about? https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Airsmetten Posted October 21, 2010 Author Posted October 21, 2010 Engine surge is more the cause of the sound. I don't know if there is a real word for it but it's a very deep growling/buffeting noise that is present just after light up and it takes about 5 sec or so before its gone. The sound is also present during the start up of the Hornet. Maybe a start up movie from a Hornet is easier to find as a A-10 start up video. I'll check I've I can find an example when I'm back at home. Greetz Rick ------------------------- Windows 7 64bit Intel Core i7 860 @ 4.0GHz Corsair Vengeance LP 16Gb DDR3 1600MHz MSI GeForce GTX 970 4Gb 1*24" -------------------------- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
diveplane Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Engine surge is more the cause of the sound. I don't know if there is a real word for it but it's a very deep growling/buffeting noise that is present just after light up and it takes about 5 sec or so before its gone. The sound is also present during the start up of the Hornet. Maybe a start up movie from a Hornet is easier to find as a A-10 start up video. I'll check I've I can find an example when I'm back at home. Greetz Rick post a video up what your talking about. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
diveplane Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) not many startup vids of the a10. Edited October 21, 2010 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
diveplane Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 only apu startup shut down for now audio https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted October 21, 2010 ED Team Posted October 21, 2010 Hi guys, I've seen the start up of the A-10 a few time in real life and you could hear the engine surge really good when the engine spooled up. Can't hear this typical A-10 sound in the sim. Any chance this will be added later on? Greetings Rick ------------------------- Win7 64 i7 860 Patriot 4Gb DDR3 1333Mhz Vapor-X HD 5870OC 1*24" -------------------------- I suggest what you are talking about... maybe we will add some flavour to the start. I even can say that we plan more... but it requires not new samples but further sound engine development. I won't say more... Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
Airsmetten Posted October 21, 2010 Author Posted October 21, 2010 I did a little search on Youtube when I returned home and it looks like the startup from the Hornet is pretty easy to find. I know we are talking about a totally different airplane for the moment but the Hornet has the same phenomenon altough not as much as the A-10 does. If you have a look at this clip Around 00:35 you can hear the sound that I was talking about. And you can hear it a second time when engine No.2 spools up at 01:40. The sound is actually created by smal compressor stalls during start up because the compressor is turning at a way to low RPM iaw its design. I'll keep searching for an A-10 vid. Greetings Rick ------------------------- Windows 7 64bit Intel Core i7 860 @ 4.0GHz Corsair Vengeance LP 16Gb DDR3 1600MHz MSI GeForce GTX 970 4Gb 1*24" -------------------------- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
genbrien Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 My Cl-601 does it (since its the ''same'' engine). It's like a low frequency ''booooooooooooommmmmmm'' Will try to film it with my Iphone and post it on youtube. Would be very cool to ear it with the A-10 :) Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted October 26, 2010 ED Team Posted October 26, 2010 I did a little search on Youtube when I returned home and it looks like the startup from the Hornet is pretty easy to find. I know we are talking about a totally different airplane for the moment but the Hornet has the same phenomenon altough not as much as the A-10 does. If you have a look at this clip Around 00:35 you can hear the sound that I was talking about. And you can hear it a second time when engine No.2 spools up at 01:40. The sound is actually created by smal compressor stalls during start up because the compressor is turning at a way to low RPM iaw its design. I'll keep searching for an A-10 vid. Greetings Rick It looks like a kind of resonance because of low frequency sound excitation from the blades has the same frequency as a big barrel of engine tube. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
BKLronin Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) Do you mean that one at the beginning of that track? (Not a good one but the same sound I guess) http://konsum-productions.com/releases/KPMP3-010/KPMP3-010_-_01_-_PinoCchio_SP_-_carbon_fibre.mp3 In this case it was from a chopper but not sure which one. I think its an vibration issue. Edited October 26, 2010 by BKLronin [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
rjetster1 Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 24 second mark... the infamous Hornet growl during startup. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQe5GFXh_8
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) s-3 viking has the similar engines as the a10c. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_TF34 Edited October 31, 2010 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
theoklahomaaviator Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 here is a good example at ~25sec. No not an A-10 engine, but a good representation of the sound you are referring to. Dell Aurora R11, Windows 10 Home 64bit English, Intel i9 10900KF (10-Core, 20MB Cache, 3.7GHz to 5.3GHz w/Thermal Velocity Boost), 64GB Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3400MHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6, 24” 1080p 144Hz Free-Sync/G-SYNC compatible monitor, 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 here is a good example at ~25sec. No not an A-10 engine, but a good representation of the sound you are referring to. some business jets are indeed powered with this engine type CF-34 = commercial version http://www.hill.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5742 https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 , these engines dont make that distint start up noise, like the f15 or 18 etc. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 think the CRJ -200 is outfitted with these motors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJ_28qCvts&feature=channel https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
theoklahomaaviator Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) The CF34 is a Commercial variant of the TF34. You can't compare the two.... they are different engines. I posted my video above ( to illustrate the growl noise of an engine starting to help clarify what the original poster was referring to as a "surge"... here is a video of an actual A-10 starting engines... you can hear the growl! The audio quality sucks but it's there... you can hear it for both engine starts. Forget about the CF34s... Edited October 31, 2010 by theoklahomaaviator Dell Aurora R11, Windows 10 Home 64bit English, Intel i9 10900KF (10-Core, 20MB Cache, 3.7GHz to 5.3GHz w/Thermal Velocity Boost), 64GB Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3400MHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6, 24” 1080p 144Hz Free-Sync/G-SYNC compatible monitor, 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
kylania Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 here is a video of an actual A-10 starting engines... you can hear the growl! Between right? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Christmas Cheer - A Landing Practice Mission : Beta Paint Schemes : HOTAS Keyboard Map : Bingo Fuel - A DCS A-10C Movie
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) The CF34 is a Commercial variant of the TF34. You can't compare the two.... they are different engines. I posted my video above ( to illustrate the growl noise of an engine starting to help clarify what the original poster was referring to as a "surge"... here is a video of an actual A-10 starting engines... you can hear the growl! The audio quality sucks but it's there... you can hear it for both engine starts. Forget about the CF34s am correctng the original poster a10 engines dont have this anomaly audio in startup,maybe adding this surge type sound to the other planes ingame , but not the A10C plants. i was investigating other similar powerplants to see if they had this effect. none in videos. not starting a discussion about comparing power plants like you typed above. Edited October 31, 2010 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
theoklahomaaviator Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 Between right? yes sir for the right engine and also faintly at ~13-19 sec. for the left engine. Dell Aurora R11, Windows 10 Home 64bit English, Intel i9 10900KF (10-Core, 20MB Cache, 3.7GHz to 5.3GHz w/Thermal Velocity Boost), 64GB Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3400MHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6, 24” 1080p 144Hz Free-Sync/G-SYNC compatible monitor, 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) yes sir for the right engine and also faintly at ~13-19 sec. for the left engine. forget about this clip comparing it against a10 engines though. Edited October 31, 2010 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
theoklahomaaviator Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) They don't make that noise based on what? And how can you say that I can't compare a clip of the A-10 engines to the A-10 engines...? P.S. how many times are you going to edit that last post? Edited October 31, 2010 by theoklahomaaviator Dell Aurora R11, Windows 10 Home 64bit English, Intel i9 10900KF (10-Core, 20MB Cache, 3.7GHz to 5.3GHz w/Thermal Velocity Boost), 64GB Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3400MHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6, 24” 1080p 144Hz Free-Sync/G-SYNC compatible monitor, 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
diveplane Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) based on what? audio anomaly surge. , i think the original poster is mistaken about it. studied most clips of the a10 spooling up cant hear it doing this effect. part of my reasons for investigating the civilian plant to see if it did indeed do this on startup, and judging by the clips on utube, its a no as well. only the big fighters that some how create this effect on startups, f18 f16 f15s. as yo-yo stated the long engine airframe and engine barrel on these jets. last post here. Edited October 31, 2010 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
theoklahomaaviator Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 studied most clips of the a10 spooling up cant hear it doing this effect. What clips? part of my reasons for investigating the civilian plant to see if it did indeed do this on startup, and judging by the clips on utube, its a no as well. your investigating apples to oranges... it doesn't matter if the civilian plants make the noise or not. They aren't TF34-100s only the big fighters that seam to create this effect on startups, f18 f16 f15s. as yo-yo stated the long engine airframe and engine housings on these jets. Your putting words into his mouth. He wasn't specific about "long engine airframes" he was just giving some insight into how the noise may be generated. I'm telling you the A-10 makes the growl on engine startup. If DCS wants to model it FANTASTIC. If not it's a minor detail IMHO. FWIW, -Adam Dell Aurora R11, Windows 10 Home 64bit English, Intel i9 10900KF (10-Core, 20MB Cache, 3.7GHz to 5.3GHz w/Thermal Velocity Boost), 64GB Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3400MHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6, 24” 1080p 144Hz Free-Sync/G-SYNC compatible monitor, 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
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