egorter Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 herb and veg trails look out! Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Master sergeant shooter sergeant important person of sergeants extreme:gun_rifle:
Jg2001_Rasputin Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 This is how the NWO and the Zionists and the Masons are striving to control our HEALTH! He finally said it! :D
egorter Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 somebody better control my health i certainly can't Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Master sergeant shooter sergeant important person of sergeants extreme:gun_rifle:
Lixma 06 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 He finally said it! :D Only took him 9 pages. :D Furthermore, drugs are being developed that will control our MINDS! To make us complacent zombies without any real own will, who do all they tell us. Even drugs that manipulate our memory!Well everyone needs a goal in life, I suppose.
egorter Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 what were we discussing? Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Master sergeant shooter sergeant important person of sergeants extreme:gun_rifle:
26-J39 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Ether & GG, while i'm still skeptical i appreciate your mature responses. One thing tho, i to thought it was a prescription drug but i seem to be able to buy it online freely.
GGTharos Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 You can buy other things online freely that you shouldn't be able to, too. Again, don't mistake abuse/illegality with what the law and its intent actually is. Ether & GG, while i'm still skeptical i appreciate your mature responses. One thing tho, i to thought it was a prescription drug but i seem to be able to buy it online freely. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ilikepie Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 what were we discussing? proving the efficaciousness of hippy herbs. The science quacks are pissed off they have to jump through hoops to prove their stuff works and is safe, while the hippies dont, and can make any claims without studies. perhaps its all an April Fools joke? Just to rark people up......:) Action After Contemplation
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Again 2-3 guys fail to make themselves funny about the facts that I reported. They cannot have seen the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKKxtyuzL-s, or they couldn’t have answered so soon. The video is 40 minutes long and very educative. That means that they don’t know what they are trying to ridicule in a stereotype manner. Here is something more for you to learn from: http://twilightearth.com/news/the-world-according-to-monsanto-full-documentary/ – but it is about 2 hours long. If you don’t first see any of them through and know what it is about: how can you expect to be taken seriously with your comments? Did you already get some mind-manipulating drugs, maybe? I cannot fully make myself free from the suspicion that you are hired to ridicule serious discussions about these things and serve their interests. Here is more: http://www.whale.to/b/codex_h.html Now don’t try to twist the discussion away by stating that it is about medical herbs and not the codex. It is about both, since the two are two sides of one NWO coin. They go “hand in hand”. I already showed that above. But you may have (intentionally?) overlooked that. Quote: “Proving the efficaciousness of hippy herbs. The science quacks are pissed off they have to jump through hoops to prove their stuff works and is safe, while the hippies don’t, and can make any claims without studies.” It is well knows by insiders (and I was one!) that clinical studies are manipulated to get results more positive than real. When someone from Big Pharma requests a clinical study from the leader of a clinic, he also tells him (this will not be written in the contract) what results are expected, and it is the job of the testing physician to find a way to “prove” these results. If he doesn’t but rather states the truth in his report, he will get no more well-paid jobs for that company… and he will have trouble with his career. So he knows what he is up to. In similar ways “negative” results are produced in studies of herbs. For example a study of Echinacea’s effect on the common cold: they on purpose used the least effective parts of the herb and set the treatment in (with too low doses) after the cold already broke out. It should have been set in at the first sign that it is beginning. A “good” way to “prove” carcinogenicity is application irritation. The stuff is rubbed crudely into the skin of mice such that the repeated vigorous rubbing causes cancer after doing it long enough… not the substance. There are many tricks, and if you are entranced by them, this is the kind of world you are working towards: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ and https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Idiocracy ... we already have a bit of that now… Another true story which I have no reference to any more (my source is old) is this. In the 70es a researcher in some company investigated Laetrile and find it effective against cancer, He reported that – and lost his job. All his documents disappeared. It was discovered – also in the 70es – that when “research” in ways to cure cancer reaches a stage where it looks very promising, the project is cancelled. Such projects are there only to make the public believe that they would be serious. In reality no really effective “cure” is wanted, since this area of medicine is a real gold mine. What is wanted is a treatment that keeps the patient alive long enough to continue to make money with him, and if he is really cured (which of course happens, too), he was lucky… Edited January 13, 2011 by allesok
Silent Warrior Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Meh, herbal and homeopathic teas only make my stomach go brooimph, anyway. But, you know, this strikes a hard blow against traditional medicine - I'm not going into whether it works or not, that has been debated enough already. You should see the headlines here on Iceland, where... well, less Christian beliefs are more common than you might be used to. Let me reiterate, for emphasis: This ban on unproven herbs will cause problems for traditional medicine. I mean nothing else besides that. Honest! Tharos: I absolutely agree with you that it's good to bar fakes from the market, but I take it you haven't read many articles on Alternet.org? Believe me, you wouldn't sing Big Pharma's praise nearly as enthusiastically then, even if it were them or phoneys. Well, Alternet IS USA-centric, where the climate seems to be a lot friendlier to Big Pharma than in the EU, but I think I can dig up a couple of articles if you aren't prepared to take my word that Big Pharma's rarely any better than your average witches and druids. Yes, they do generally support their claims on efficiency with scientific data, but Alternet's new pet peeve is women's lack-of-sexual-desire-disorder, which of course needs medication. Enough about that. Use of medication with REALLY interesting side-effects (and origins) is another can of worms, but I think there's enough to talk about or be indignant about without it. I R happy European!
ilikepie Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 It is well knows by insiders (and I was one!) that clinical studies are manipulated to get results more positive than real. When someone from Big Pharma requests a clinical study from the leader of a clinic, he also tells him (this will not be written in the contract) what results are expected, and it is the job of the testing physician to find a way to “prove” these results. If he doesn’t but rather states the truth in his report, he will get no more well-paid jobs for that company… and he will have trouble with his career. So he knows what he is up to. In similar ways “negative” results are produced in studies of herbs. For example a study of Echinacea’s effect on the common cold: they on purpose used the least effective parts of the herb and set the treatment in (with too low doses) after the cold already broke out. It should have been set in at the first sign that it is beginning. so natural therapists cant have trials commissioned? because then its seen that the positive results are biased because the head quack is on the take? i respect your argument, but find your logic erratic and generalised its great that you are passionate about it, and the champion of this cause, but it will not remove the stigma of it being witchery/hocus pocus/ W ever TF you want to call it...... and a the Banhammer wont stop its use either, it will just push it under ground and create a blackmarket. Tempest in a tea tray......:) Action After Contemplation
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) so natural therapists cant have trials commissioned? because then its seen that the positive results are biased because the head quack is on the take? This a typical prejudice of those who don't know better. Big Pharma do investigate herbs with the intention to find negative results they can abuse against their use. But they do also investigate herbs in order to find the active substance in it, so that they can then synthesize it and have the synthesization procedure patented, so that they can monopolize it and take hundreds of % profit. This is the case with very many chemical medicaments. Aspirin is one of the first examples. Traditionally, a Salix (Latin) shrub was used against headaches. More than a 100 years ago, a chemist discovered the active substance that he called salicylic acid. But it had unpleasant side effects when synthesized. He acetylated it to acetyl-salicylic acid, and then it had less side effects, and it became Aspirin. A more recent example (of very many) is Cordarone (I wrote about it above). It is a synthesized component in the Khella or Bishop's Weed herb (Ammi visnaga). As I told above, Cordarone was later banned by the FDA because of serious side effects. The herbs have much less side effects than such synthesized substances, but cannot be patented for HUGE profit ... And, furthermore, the herb contains a whole complex of synergetically active substances, and if you take one of them out and skip the others, it isn't astonishing that you can get problems! Edited January 13, 2011 by allesok
Geskes Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I just watch that tube about comex alimentarius and that woman gives herself away near the end where she says that her 5 bigs are taking over everything by buying everyone out and competing them to force them to close. Well that is just normal business practice. The herbals are competitors of the pharmaceutical companies. It is is the same what you can see with many companies in other sectors where you enter a market in which you are not active but which is competing with your own market. Its the shark mentality and its just normal business thinking. Too bad if you are on the wrong end of the spectrum but then you need to adapt or get eaten. Its how it works. The smalltime herbalists now have an extra card to play compared to a normal failing business model because it would be "evil" to force them to close because they do so much good but that is crap. If their products really work they are damn bad marketeers for not being able to sell enough to be sustainable business entities. Who would mind an 'all natural cure for all' that is cheap and widely available? It should be a breaktrough success but unfortunately it isnt. If these herbs work they will be sold by someone because there will always be someone who has the channels to sell enough of it to make approval profitable. You only have to do it once, it is a one-time cost. Therefor these herbs will not disapppear but the sellers able to sell it now, uncontrolled, unmonitored and unapproved will no longer be able to and go out of business. What a sweet outcome. Too bad that they are a victim of these regulations but imagine a world without and shady producers from all over the world are able to put their items in your supermarket. About all the claims she makes about evil nazi doctors, well of course there is some corruption going on and there always has been and that will probably never change. Power corrupts. Read some Plato, it might give you some interesting insights on the matter and after that you might decide that "Rule of the Elite" as NWO guys always seem to call it is actually the best way by far. I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 A "rule by the elite" is what we certainly don't want, since the "elite" is self-chosen and not really those who are fit to rule. This only leads to power, corruption, widening gaps between rich and poor, even enslavement and the like and it is really evil. What we want is true democracy and respect of the will of the people and that consumers have the right to get the products they want and not not what the "elite" for profit likes to decide as "being good" for them. Liberty, fraternity and equality. It was never realized, but now it needs to be more than ever. Instead of reading Plato, I prefer that everyone is guaranteed the freedom to think for himself and to live his own life as he wants to, including the choice of therapy if he needs one.
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I just watch that tube about comex alimentarius and that woman gives herself away near the end where she says that her 5 bigs are taking over everything by buying everyone out and competing them to force them to close. So the end of her speach was all you reacted to? What about all the rest (at least 35 of the 40 minutes)? Maybe you missed a lot...
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 “I respect your argument, but find your logic erratic and generalized.” This reminds me of a movie about Kaspar Hauser that I recently saw. A professor wanted to test his logical reasoning and presented to him the old riddle of the two villages. In one village all tell the truth, in the other all lie. “So what question should you ask to find out from what village a person is?” Kaspar hesitated and the professor told him the traditional solution based on double negation. Kaspar said: “I have another solution” “There IS no other solution!” “I would ask him if he is a frog. If he tells the truth, he says ‘no’, and if he lies, he says ‘yes’.” “I am a professor of mathematics and logic and I cannot accept such an answer!” The poor narrow-minded professor could not accept another logic than his own. Maybe some in this Forum are like him and can only see their own subjective logic. Others are more open-minded and can objectively respect another logic than their own…
26-J39 Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Why don't we all sit back and take some advise from a great man.. Bring him back :cry:
GGTharos Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 You resemble that professor. You think that just because you go 'against the grain' it makes you right? Further, you aren't advocating logic - you're advocating paranoia. The poor narrow-minded professor could not accept another logic than his own. Maybe some in this Forum are like him and can only see their own subjective logic. Others are more open-minded and can objectively respect another logic than their own… [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I'm not a believer in big pharma. I avoid medication whenever and wherever possible. On the other hand, I also don't believe in people who er, smoke their merdicinal herbs ;) Tharos: I absolutely agree with you that it's good to bar fakes from the market, but I take it you haven't read many articles on Alternet.org? Believe me, you wouldn't sing Big Pharma's praise nearly as enthusiastically then, even if it were them or phoneys. Well, Alternet IS USA-centric, where the climate seems to be a lot friendlier to Big Pharma than in the EU, but I think I can dig up a couple of articles if you aren't prepared to take my word that Big Pharma's rarely any better than your average witches and druids. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Geskes Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 So the end of her speach was all you reacted to? What about all the rest (at least 35 of the 40 minutes)? Maybe you missed a lot... You must agree with me that in the first part she makes all kinds of unfounded claims about people intending to take over the world in a big food scheme. How does she know this? Where can I check these allegations? Nowhere! It is mere speculation. I checked on comex website in holland and nowhere in the meat stuff it says I need to use hormones to be able to offer it as food. Also no sign of the irradiation. So how does she know this? Just give me a credible source of these allegations and before that I can do no other then discard all these allegations about taking over the world as mere speculation. I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
EtherealN Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Allesok, seriously... This is how the NWO and the Zionists and the Masons are striving to control our HEALTH! ...you really could just stop posting right now. You have managed to completely ditch any credibility you might have had in any quarters. You are just another conspiracy nut. Get over it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
egorter Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 :huh:says the NWOZionistmason... Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Master sergeant shooter sergeant important person of sergeants extreme:gun_rifle:
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) @Geskes Search the Internet worldwide (and not only Dutch pages) and you will find A LOT! But do enter "coDex alimentarius" (not "coMex alimentarius")... Edited January 13, 2011 by allesok
Boberro Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 This is how the NWO and the Zionists and the Masons are striving to control our HEALTH! Because with this codex, the health of the population will degrade massively with time and that gives the Big Pharma masses of new clients! Furthermore, drugs are being developed that will control our MINDS! Masons, NWO, depopulation? Satan's sign? I know these people often believe also in Nibiru planet and chemitrails? I agree Pharma corporations have a lot of dirt but when I hear that what is above it is really sad :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
allesok Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Why don't we all sit back and take some advise from a great man.. Bring him back :cry: You are so right, and so was he! Another version is found here (with appropriate illustrations): This may well be a reason why he was killed … It is in this spirit that some of us write in this post, even though there are also those here who would like to kill us. @GGTharos Para nos = for us, even for you …
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