Landing on the ground (in desert)

[YureZzZ]

Why just Su-25 and Su-25T can be landed outside of a runway? All other planes just blow up at the touchdown? Is it a bug?

[vanir]

The MiG-29 can manage an overshoot onto grass near the runway without blowing up I've noticed (I had no brakes last flight), but the Su-25 serie is the only one specifically designed for rough independent operations from unpaved fields.

 

The Su-25 carries its own service kit and APU internally, its engines can run on any available fuel type including diesel. You can land a Frogfoot on any flat strip with little preparation and meet it with a couple of trucks carrying munitions and siphon some diesel or pour some vodka and kerosine in the tanks and go do combat operations, it was designed for this. No kidding, there's a couple of civilian airliners/cargo haulers they make with similar capabilities, it's really unbelievably remarkable by western standards.

 

Pretty much all other modern combat aircraft are designed to be operated from paved airbases, only a handful like the Fulcrum can manage a well prepared grass strip in emergencies. The "rough field capability" advertised for Russian birds really means just that they don't necessarily do a walk down the runway every morning to make sure there are no FOD to get sucked into the engine, they do operations with little or no preparation as soon as they climb out of bed and with the runway covered in snow, whilst modern Russian birds are all STOL so they can operate from smaller forward airbases that wouldn't support American models. The Germans said one of the remarkable things about the Fulcrum was that it could operate under conditions that would never support an F-16 (whilst Eagles need infamously large, well serviced bases with full support services).

They still use paved runways though.

 

Probably the closest western parallel to Russian birds are the Swedes with their STOL and rough field capable air force, designed to use roadways and mobile support services as ad hoc airbases in wartime.

[Krebs20]

Also the flight model was redone for both of them in FC2. I have set an F15 and a MIG 29 off airport as well. A lot of luck involved.

The DCS A10 can take a pretty hard off airport landing and not blow up.

[YureZzZ]

Also the flight model was redone for both of them in FC2. I have set an F15 and a MIG 29 off airport as well. A lot of luck involved.

The DCS A10 can take a pretty hard off airport landing and not blow up.

 

So you saying that it is possible to land MIG-29S on the raw ground in this game? Can you show me the video of that? In other sims (MFS, X-Plane) I did that many times, but in this - I can't make it even if I'm doing it really accurate.

[jack72]

For what it is worth...I just landed a A10 on a roadway in the quick mission. I came in as slow as possible without stalling (about 110 kts) had full flaps, full airbrakes and came on an angle and pulled up just before touchdown.

 

I hit the brakes and it stopped relatively quickly. Of course the people cars that I blew up were not impressed...so I hit the eject button and shot my self out of the cockpit....but the parachute opened and had me land a few feet from the plane...doh.

[nomdeplume]

The Su-25T (and maybe the -25, too?) use the Advanced Flight Model, while the other aircraft have a simpler model. My best guess is that either the AFM uses a better system for transitioning between flight and taxi and can handle rough terrain, or otherwise the SFM planes are simply prevented from doing so because the result would look way too weird.

 

Any of the aircraft can be landed on roads, if you really want to put them down in unconventional places.

[jaeger_101]

After a super soft touch down with the SU 25T on a field and already rolling with the feeling of yippeeeeee i did it; there it came.

A nasty mean wall out of the grasslands about 2m in height, right in front of me, with a mean grin telling me, you will not stop before me.... hehe

Perfectly at the moment where the energy was too low for takeoff but still to high for stoping before the wall :pilotfly:

With a salute to quax i ejected to watch my plane smashing into the grasswall.

 

Landing outside works best with long and not too bumpy straight roads. I always jettison any stores, come in as slow as possible with a sinkrate of 2 m.

 

Landing in a field? see above :D

 

Jaeger

[eXecutor]

landing su-25 on flat terrain everywhere isnt problem, but take off. I always broke my front gear at about 120km/h when aircraft make some strange jump. Dig front wheel to ground and up, and after few second in normal takeoff speed i can fly. I tried pull up little all the time while increasing speed, but its even worse. Pull down and at cca 160km/h pull up is working sometime without broken front gear. Have you some special technique to takeoff from field and another idea for field operations, what about refueling and rearming? i must try refuel at ka-50 heliport

[Critical Bill]

It's doable :)

 

[YureZzZ]

It's doable :)

 

Broken landing gear?

[vanir]

critical bill likes to play a joke on the groundcrew "you thought I was going to land at the base didn't you"

[hawk2495]

Meanwhile the guy in the Ural is going... "Holy bleep, did you see that? That was the craziest bleep I have ever seen, oh my god!!!" He gets over it and continues on into town.

[RIPTIDE]

Broken landing gear?

Pilot Alive + Plane fixable. ;)

[Miro]

Touchdown must be on road at least one gear, touchdown on grass = Boom, *CriticalBill You touched road:smartass: after touchdown any (F15, A10) AC can drive outside road. No other possibility :pilotfly:Can You Proove it by short video? :D

Edited November 6, 2010 by Miro

[Critical Bill]

I'll gess you are right Miro... It is a while ago since I did that touch-down. Think I landed at the road and went out in the grass breaking my undercarriage. I sure hell didn't get a ride with the Ural back to base either :doh: