HOTAS TMS Settings

[TonyP]

I'm getting confused at times on the terminology for HOTAS UP/DOWN or FORWARD/AFT. I wish DCS would stay consistent within their key commands and their manual. Please confirm my understanding:

 

FORWARD and DOWN are the same

AFT and UP are the same

 

Short = a quick tap

Long = depress and hold for 2/3 seconds

 

Can someone confirm or correct my understanding on this. Again maybe DCS can maintain a consistent terminology so you (me) don't get confused.

 

Tony

Edited November 5, 2010 by TonyP

[Pigmachine]

It depends on how the buttons/hats are placed, if it's down or aft etc etc.

Look at the short manuals last page, it shows how they are placed.

[kylania]

Page 84 and Page 87 of the manual have pictures of the HOTAS so you can see why some are FORWARD/UP and others are AFT/DOWN.

[NoJoe]

For the TMS:

 

Forward is Up

Aft is Down

 

You're correct in regards to the short/long (I think I remember a Long press to be 1/2 second, but I have no reference for that).

 

--NoJoe

[TonyP]

The short manual last page has a Cougar (I believe), I've got a x52 PRO, my TMS switch is on the backside of the throttle, using StrongHarm's Profile. Pushing it DOWN seems to affect the Down LCtrl key, pulling it UP affects the Up LCtrl key. In the Manual Page 561 No. 6 at the bottom says,... press TMS Forward Short to initiate a lock. On my setup with an x52 I would hit my TMS control HOTAS button Down or Forward to get the desired result.

[kylania]

The TMS HOTAS button (as well as DMS and CMS) is meant to be a thumb hat on the joystick, not the throttle. If you've changed yours to be on the throttle, you just need to remember that you've mapped it differently.

[Bulletstop]

Tony,

When beta 1 was first released I asked those same questions and the answer was FWd/up Aft/down. Remember it is a wip in progras so be patient.

 

 

Bullet

[TonyP]

OK,.. guys, I'll have to remember that FWD is up and Aft is down. That's what was messing me when looking at the manual instructions. Because my HOTAS is a Saitek X52 Pro, my POV3 axis for the TMS is on the backside of the throttle rather than the joystick. Also the other confuser is the key command listing doesn't show TMS FWD or TMS Aft; all it has is TMS Up and TMS Down, it would be nice if DCS labeled the listing as Down/Aft and Up/Forward

[159th_Viper]

 

FORWARD and DOWN are the same

AFT and UP are the same

 

 

Not necessarily. Depends on the particular switch and the placement of said switch.

 

An example would be the China Hat: Cannot move 'Up or 'Down' - can only move Forward () or Backwards (Aft).

 

Another example is the MIC switch: Can move 'Up' and 'Down' as well as 'Forward' and 'Aft'. In this case, 'Forward' and 'Down'/'Aft' and 'Up' are definitely not the same.

[NoJoe]

Tony, it sounds like you've got it sorted out. :) But just in case, here's for anyone else who is still confused:

 

I think the confusion is that the manual calls it one way, while the ingame control settings call it another way.

 

The manual refers to "TMS Forward" and "TMS Aft" (page 85).

 

The In-game controls refer to "HOTAS TMS Up" and "HOTAS TMS Down".

 

Pressing the button assigned to "HOTAS TMS Up" does the "TMS Forward" command from the manual. Pressing the button assigned to "HOTAS TMS Down" does the "TMS Aft" command from the manual.

 

(Up/Forward, and Down/Aft)

 

I hope that clears it up a bit. :thumbup:

 

--NoJoe

[CrashEd]

Not necessarily. Depends on the particular switch and the placement of said switch.

 

An example would be the China Hat: Cannot move 'Up or 'Down' - can only move Forward () or Backwards (Aft).

 

Another example is the MIC switch: Can move 'Up' and 'Down' as well as 'Forward' and 'Aft'. In this case, 'Forward' and 'Down'/'Aft' and 'Up' are definitely not the same.

 

Yep, it's switch/direction dependant. Aplogies for the crude diagram! ;)

Edited November 6, 2010 by CrashEd

[Ragtop]

I'm amazed there's been this much confusion and discussion over something as simple as this.

 

 

Forward = Up = ^

Aft = Down = \/

Left= <

Right = >

 

It its one of the throttle switches IE the china or boat switch

 

Forward = Away from you

Aft = Towards you

 

 

Short = Tap less than 0.5 seconds

Long = Hold longer than 0.5 seconds.

 

This really isn't that difficult to grasp is it!?

If it is, perhaps we shouldn't be flying a study sim, things are gonna get a lot harder for you :P

 

Either hit the books or hit the sack!

 

/thread

Edited November 6, 2010 by Ragtop

[Dethmagnetic]

OK,.. guys, I'll have to remember that FWD is up and Aft is down. That's what was messing me when looking at the manual instructions. Because my HOTAS is a Saitek X52 Pro, my POV3 axis for the TMS is on the backside of the throttle rather than the joystick. Also the other confuser is the key command listing doesn't show TMS FWD or TMS Aft; all it has is TMS Up and TMS Down, it would be nice if DCS labeled the listing as Down/Aft and Up/Forward

 

This is a peculiarity of the X52, it has bitten me a few times as well - the throttle hat switch is backwards from the joystick hat switches. On the throttle switch, forward is "down" and backwards is "up", while on the joystick hat switches forward is "up" and backwards is "down". Just something you have to keep in mind when setting up your profiles. :joystick: