sobek Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Of course not. Just because you can't make it "perfect" doesn't mean you can't make it "less wrong" It's not a matter of it being perfect or wrong, it's a matter of practicability. If i tune my speakers so that the engines and cockpit sounds are at a comfortable level, i don't want the gun sound to acoustically manhandle my eardrums, even if that might be the case in RL. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
NoJoe Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 It's not a matter of it being perfect or wrong, it's a matter of practicability. If i tune my speakers so that the engines and cockpit sounds are at a comfortable level, i don't want the gun sound to acoustically manhandle my eardrums, even if that might be the case in RL. I agree. Take the game Arma, for example. It's got a good sound for the AK-47, but have you ever fired an AK (or any gun) in real life without earplugs? They are LOUD!! I'm certainly glad Arma doesn't simulate that particular piece of reality... On the other hand, I also agree that the A-10 gun in DCS sounds very strange. Like Aphelion said, it's like some old 80's electronic arcade sound. Like an 8-bit siren. --NoJoe
Aviafan Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 The latter part of your opinion is both wrong and myth wrapped up all in one. Gas ingestion by the engines can stall the engines, but that has been taken care of by running the igniters when the trigger is depressed. Hi to everybody, got DCS A-10C yesterday, having my fun with it :) Regarding topic. Does it mean, in general, that while you are firing GAU-8, your engines are not producing any thrust? In general, what are the limitations for the gun burst you can do, for how long you can be "trigger happy"?
sobek Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Regarding topic. Does it mean, in general, that while you are firing GAU-8, your engines are not producing any thrust? No, it means they are just a little more prone to flaming out. It is advisable not to fly with engines at idle when firing the gun. ;) In general, what are the limitations for the gun burst you can do, for how long you can be "trigger happy"? Until you hit the target yourself, basically. :) Gun runs should be done with a certain angle of descent, so your window to fire off shots basically ends at the safe recovery altitude. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Aviafan Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 No, it means they are just a little more prone to flaming out. It is advisable not to fly with engines at idle when firing the gun. ;) Well, in gun attack I'm really go much easier on throttle. To increase fire window as well. But in general I got the point. Fire at will and don't worry. Until you hit the target yourself, basically. :) Gun runs should be done with a certain angle of descent, so your window to fire off shots basically ends at the safe recovery altitude. Well, I was thinking about some gun technological limitations. Overheating maybe, or something like that.
nomdeplume Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Well, I was thinking about some gun technological limitations. Overheating maybe, or something like that. There doesn't seem to be any limitations currently modeled in the sim. The only thing I've found is if you fire an extremely long burst the sound effect will run out and restart, which sounds weird. So yes, fire at will and don't worry. I think any problems caused by overcooking the gun would be gradual reductions in its efficiency and reliability, which would only be noticed after several sorties - and that's beyond the scope of the sim. 1
OutOnTheOP Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Well, considering the basic load of ammunition is 1130 rounds and there are 7 barrels, that means in any given sortie, you can only fire 162 rounds per barrel. Now, 162 rounds at a cyclic rate of 570 rounds per minute (again, per barrel) is about equivalent of firing a whole belt of .50 cal in one burst (roughly the same number of rounds fired per barrel at roughly the same rate). Doing that is certainly BAD on the barrel, and badly accellerates barrel wear, but it won't cause the gun to jam or explode or anything. Yes, I do have practical experience with firing .50s, though my experience with firing such long bursts is limited to being an irate spectator on the range- I always had better fire discipline and a little more respect for the longevity of the equipment we'd be taking to war, thanks. Of course, a 30mm is a larger cartridge, but the case proportions look about the same, which means that since the diameter increases proportionally to the length increase of the cartridge, and both of those increase proportionally to the increase of barrel thickness and length (meaning more steel to act as a heat sink).... I can't imagine overheating being THAT serious an issue. Especially with 300-mile-per-hour blast air conditioning. Still, I wouldn't recommend it. It probably wouldn't jam the gun, but it likely would result in one seriously hot crew chief when he realized he had to replace the barrels because you burned the rifling out of them. :smilewink: 1
Wolverine88 Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 <---actual A-10 crewchief...don't worry about it man...just don't do it on a Friday. It'll screw up my weekend. I'll just tell our weapons guys to get after it. 8) Windows 8 Intel core i7 64-Bit 4GB RAM NVidia Geforce GTS 860M 2 monitors
con3para Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 ..maybe make it louder ..for the sim ...after all this is what its all about a flying tank killer ... HAF TOWER / MSI z77 G43 /-i5-3570k.@ 3.4mhz / GTX 780 / Patriot 8GB. DDR3 / TM-HOTAS-warthog 00228
Zomba Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 A friend of mine that is a pilot with the RAF once said that he was more afraid of the Crewchief than he ever was of the enemy. I don't test for bugs, but when I do I do it in production.
Blaze1 Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 The latter part of your opinion is both wrong and myth wrapped up all in one. Gas ingestion by the engines can stall the engines, but that has been taken care of by running the igniters when the trigger is depressed. Yep. Many aircraft use this method to prevent engine stall when launching missiles.
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