Funkyjazz Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Hi, Nope, i am not asking when its going to be released because i know the answer: as soon as it's done:thumbup: Right now they sell the beta version. If i am right they the sim is patched up to beta 4. Beta 5 is somewere on its way and maybe beta 6, 7, 8 ect...who knows Why not a full release of the sim as it is right now? The only possibility to buy it right now is via DCS which require a credit card. But its a release... Why not releasing it now on DVD via stores which can be paid with different payment systems? The majority of people that will buy the A-10 are already familiar with the developing of the sim and probably also own FC1 or 2 or BS. They know they buy a beta, which will be patched and patched. Seeing it from that point of view, every game that is released is a beta. Every game has bugs and need patches. If they sell the beta on DVD in stores with different payment options its mine and i think a lot of people agree with me or think the same way. Just a thought.... Without sollutions there aren't any problems CASE: CM 690 II / PSU: CM 750 Realpower / MB: MSI P55 GD65 / CPU: I7-860 @ 3,8 GHZ / MEM: 4x2GB OCZ 1866 Platinum / SB: Creative X-FI Extreme gamer / GPU: ASUS GTX 275 / HD: 2 x Samsung F1 1 GB / OS: WIN 7 64 Bit H.E. / MON: 1 x Samsung Syncmaster P2770HD & 1 x Samsung syncmaster 940bf / Logitech G27 / logitech G110 / Logitech M705 / Logitech Extreme 3D pro / Saitek Proflight Yoke, 2 USB Throttle controllers & rudders / TrackIR 4.0 /
galagamo Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 These are the ED forums, your looking for the BI forums. They are that >>==> way. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
S D Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 That comment wasnt really needed, whats the point in just a mindless pop at another company (especially one with customer support and community interaction on par with ED). Bad Form! Back on topic, i see where the op is coming from but you have to see it from ED's point of view. I think alot of people are taking this beta too far. The fact is it was given to those who pre-ordered as a bonus. I appreciate that not everyone has a credit card, but at the end of the day its not a retail game yet, there is no requirement to provide other ways of distribution until the final product is ready to ship. I keep saying to people who ask about A10, the game hasnt been released, but if you would like to pre-order the game. Then you are given the chance to help with the testing. 1
Steel Jaw Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 There is no good reason I know for any responsible adult to not be able to get a credit card. Putting an unfinished product on the shelf is ludacris. 1 "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
SlapStik Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 There is no good reason I know for any responsible adult to not be able to get a credit card. Putting an unfinished product on the shelf is ludacris. Just curious Mower.......... did you say "ludacris" with a Mike Tyson lispy accent?? lol I agree with Mower and above. Putting out an unfinished product on DVD even if you called it a beta wouldl cause a major outcry and be damaging to the producer's rep. The way A10 was sent out in beta actually worked very well imho. :beer: SlapStik TM Warthog #1547, TM TPR Pedals, TM MFD pack & TIR4
nomdeplume Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Aye... I think ED ought to offer more payment options since some people dislike credit cards, whether rationally or irrationally... but selling a boxed copy of a beta is even more irrational than fearing credit cards. :D A big problem is that the boxed copy would be out of date very quickly, probably even before it actually reached the store shelves. A better idea would be to do it in a "gift card" kind of way, so stores can sell the pre-order and in return you get a card with a code you can enter on the DCS site to magically obtain a serial number for the game. But I think most of the people who have resisted getting a credit card so they can buy games online, wouldn't be happy buying a 'virtual' product in a store. They want a boxed copy with shiny plastic circles so they can pretend they "own" the product, but that doesn't work if the data pressed onto those circles is out of date by the time they get it home to install it!
galagamo Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) That comment wasnt really needed, whats the point in just a mindless pop at another company (especially one with customer support and community interaction on par with ED). Bad Form! Seriously? Your accusing me of insulting BI? I just stated a fact. I love BI but that's how they do it. ED wont fire up the presses until they deem it ready, w/o any glaring bugs to speak of I can assure. And taking my post out of context, and accusing me of wrong doing is extremely bad form sir. You are excused. BTW my above post is relevant to this topic. BI released both Armed assault, and ArmAII hard copy's as WIP's the very same way the OP wants DCSWH to be released. You see? Relevant. Edited January 21, 2011 by galagamo [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
scoochy Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Visa/Mastercard Debit cards work just as well for those who dislike credit cards. I also agree with the notion that putting incomplete beta software on the shelves is not a good way of marketing a product. Perhaps pre-ordering and receiving a DVD Beta would be more agreeable.
S D Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Seriously? Your accusing me of insulting BI? I just stated a fact. I love BI but that's how they do it. ED wont fire up the presses until they deem it ready, w/o any glaring bugs to speak of I can assure. And taking my post out of context, and accusing me of wrong doing is extremely bad form sir. You are excused. I apologise if i read it the wrong way. But it sure looked like sarcastic jibe at BI. Why even bother to write something in the first place? Infact no, it doesnt matter, dont want another topic going astray.
Funkyjazz Posted January 21, 2011 Author Posted January 21, 2011 it is not my intention to troll or post flame posts. It was just an idea that popped my mind. Probably its isnt a good idea to bring out a beta on DVD cause people will come back with anger about bugs that are known because its a beta but they forget... So yeah, stupid thought, stupid idea. This threat can be locked before war breaks out:cry:. Without sollutions there aren't any problems CASE: CM 690 II / PSU: CM 750 Realpower / MB: MSI P55 GD65 / CPU: I7-860 @ 3,8 GHZ / MEM: 4x2GB OCZ 1866 Platinum / SB: Creative X-FI Extreme gamer / GPU: ASUS GTX 275 / HD: 2 x Samsung F1 1 GB / OS: WIN 7 64 Bit H.E. / MON: 1 x Samsung Syncmaster P2770HD & 1 x Samsung syncmaster 940bf / Logitech G27 / logitech G110 / Logitech M705 / Logitech Extreme 3D pro / Saitek Proflight Yoke, 2 USB Throttle controllers & rudders / TrackIR 4.0 /
sofie_59 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) You have a good point there Funkyjazz! many games are released unfinished and they put out patches now and then.But i dont want to see A10C in stores before it's done Just look at T34 vs Tiger one of the best tanksim ever and they got bankrupt. Edited January 22, 2011 by sofie_59 1 MB:MSI X79A-GD45 CPU:Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz Ram:16 gb Grafik :GTX 680 Sli Win 7 64 bit 1200 W 2 ssd 120 gb 1 2 TB western Digital Caviar Green
Bulletstop Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 I have to agree, putting it out unfinished may give the general public a bad taste and could possibly hurt ED in the long run. I mean even here with the sticky's and stuff about it being a beta when you pre-purchased the game, some folks got pissed because it would not work. I love the fact we get to in some small way help a product mature, but that is just me. I really balk to think how these forums would blow up by some , how do I say, less then knowledgeable folks not understanding what they bought. As always my 2 cents. Bullet 2 I7 4790K running at 4390 with a gigabyte board with 16 gigs of ram with an Asus gtx 660-ti and 2 tb of hard drive space on 2 wd hard drives. A X-65F Hotas with trackir4 and pro combat peddles. A kick butt home built machine unfortunately running a windows 7 OS.
S77th-konkussion Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 The prevalance of the "insta-gratification" attitude would simply overwhelm too many people out there with no knowledge of nor patience for the developmental process of a complex simulation. Not to mention a hefty investment in production & logistics.. Money you ain't getting back... [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
sofie_59 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 The prevalance of the "insta-gratification" attitude would simply overwhelm too many people out there with no knowledge of nor patience for the developmental process of a complex simulation. Not to mention a hefty investment in production & logistics.. Money you ain't getting back... I dont know what you talking about, but i think you have a point there! MB:MSI X79A-GD45 CPU:Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz Ram:16 gb Grafik :GTX 680 Sli Win 7 64 bit 1200 W 2 ssd 120 gb 1 2 TB western Digital Caviar Green
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