siefex Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) I have been playing A-10 for the last few weeks now and just started encountering a weird "issue" last night. Just after take-off, my A-10 rolls hard left if I take my hand off the stick for over 15 seconds. This happens after I have trimmed the aircraft and made sure it is flying completely level. Any ideas why this random rolling is happening? I am using a Hotas Warthog stick with Saitek combat rudder pedals if that helps at all. Perhaps this is a hardware issue or am I not compensating for some kind of other factor in-game? Perhaps my flaps are not closed completely even though I thought they were? Thanks for the advice. Edited January 31, 2011 by siefex
Nate--IRL-- Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 The pedals on the rudder are assigned to roll and pitch axis, unless you manually removed them in the options. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
siefex Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Right, but I was not touching the rudder pedals at that time. I do still need to re-assign them (just got the pedals) but the pedals are completely idle when the rolling happens. Perhaps they were slightly off-centered and then the rolling happened. I'll check later tonight and post what I find out.
Nate--IRL-- Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Right, but I was not touching the rudder pedals at that time. I do still need to re-assign them (just got the pedals) but the pedals are completely idle when the rolling happens. Perhaps they were slightly off-centered and then the rolling happened. I'll check later tonight and post what I find out. It is the only thing I can think of right now, just change the 2 pedal axis (Not rudder axis) assignments to toe brakes and fly again. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Crosser Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I have a simular issue. I use an X52 wo/pedals atm however. I've checked the onscreen display for control input and it shows nothing however my AC rolls left when I release pressure off the stick. I've used two different sticks and both have the same outcome. I always have to counter it reguardless of what I do. Othersims (including BS) don't have this issue only A10. I've tried flying with nothing in stores, same outcome also.
siefex Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) I have a simular issue. I use an X52 wo/pedals atm however. I've checked the onscreen display for control input and it shows nothing however my AC rolls left when I release pressure off the stick. I've used two different sticks and both have the same outcome. I always have to counter it reguardless of what I do. Othersims (including BS) don't have this issue only A10. I've tried flying with nothing in stores, same outcome also. So, based on your comment Crosser, it sounds like this is some kind of strange bug. But what doesn't make sense to me is that it just started happening for me yesterday. My aircraft never did this prior to last night (and I did not change any settings between then). Makes absolutely no sense... Edited January 31, 2011 by siefex
Nate--IRL-- Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Ok just to be clear, the CTRL-Enter shows no roll input in cockpit - you have a perfectly symmetrical loadout and the aircraft still rolls to the left? Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
celticcoho Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) flight control imput!!!pedals I would Guess, he did say that was new to him? Unless Birds are too smart? System Specs might help too?? Check all flight control settings, without Specs, we don't even know what you are using??? if no pedals, your calibration of your twist stick??? Edited January 31, 2011 by celticcoho [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Celticcoho (OriginFreedom) WIN 7 64 bit, I7975 at 3.6ghz,X58 Classified 3 Mobo, 6gb Corsair 2000 ram, 2 ea ATI 5870 Eyefinity 6 2gb's , 27" Ultra Sharp,(main view), 3 23"touch screens , Tm Warthog, Saitek Combat Pedals Track IR 5,:D JIM.:book:
siefex Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 flight control imput!!!pedals I would Guess, he did say that was new to him? Unless Birds are too smart? System Specs might help too?? Check all flight control settings, without Specs, we don't even know what you are using??? if no pedals, your calibration of your twist stick??? Yes, the birds are attacking my A-10's left wing. That's it...except probably not! Haha, that was really funny. You would need a shit-ton of birds to cause an A-10 to barrel roll. That aside, let me stress that this is a very sudden barrel roll to the left which will stop once the aircraft is turned at a 50-60 degree angle. I will get home in an hour and test it out once again without the rudder pedals. I'm doubtful that that will fix it but we shall see.
nomdeplume Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I would strongly recommend checking through the Axis commands configuration to make sure only the desired controls are assigned. I had a similar problem when I set up my CH MFP to map all the buttons to DirectX device buttons; when I pressed the button to set gun to safe, the plane rolled to the left. Checked the controls config and it had assigned the X axis to roll, and although I'm pretty sure the MFP doesn't have an X axis, clearing those erroneous mappings fixed the issue. Even though you're not using the pedals doesn't mean they aren't providing some kind of input. Also, how are you managing to take off without using the rudder?! :) If you still don't have any luck, do a runway start mission, take off, have the plane roll, and then quit and save the track. Then you can upload it here as an attachment (use "Go Advanced" button to get all the options) and it might help us work out what's happening.
StrongHarm Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) I had the same problem with my X52 pro. Same exact symptoms. I found it was when I had my printer on or my iphone plugged in. When your system polls for new USB devices, and there are ghost drivers for your X52, it reinitializes your X52 out of wack. Ghost Drivers: A driver is a piece of software that tells your hardware how to communicate with other software. A ghosted driver is where your system thinks device X is no longer connected and shuts the driver down, but then sees that it is connected, so it creates a new instance of the drivers. Driver software A is left in limbo and the new driver software (B) takes over to control your device (until your system later tries to decide which to use, A or B.. or Z). Sometimes when the drivers are poorly written or you have system conflicts, you'll find literally dozens of ghosted drivers for a single device. DON'T TOUCH YOUR REGISTRY: Wise old PC techs will tell you to go into your registry and delete the unwanted lines... DON'T LISTEN. You're asking for trouble unless you truly understand the registry. The easiest way to take care of ghosted drivers is to use THIS free application. I've been using it for a few years and it's never caused any trouble. I'm very well versed in the registry, WMI and ADI scripting, but I choose to use this app. It's probably saved me years of work heheh. Edited January 31, 2011 by StrongHarm It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
WarriorX Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Nomdeplume is right...I had a similar situation when I added my TM Warthog after removing the Cougar Stick and Cougar Throttle. A lot of axis assignments were put in the wrong places. This resulted in a very erratic flight that quickly became uncontrollable. Knowing this can happen, I now check to make sure all the key assignments for each controller are focused solely on what I want them to cover. I just redesigned my CH MFP's so that one of them sends keystrokes, and the other 2 are set up as DirectX devices that emulate Joystick Buttons. When I first went in to the Options page and saw all the crazy things that the Sim had assigned these DirectX MFP's, I had to go through them and delete the unwanted axis/key assignments. Had I gone in and flown without checking this, a press on the MFP might have caused the exact problem the O.P. described. Moral of this story....whenever adding or removing a piece of hardware to this Sim, check the axis/key assignments for each new device and check your existing devices. ( I take screen shot's of the pages with Window's 7 Snipping Tool for future reference) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial
siefex Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Ok guys, I have done a good amount of research on my end. Most of the problems are now resolved. I just installed the software for the Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals (not the driver) and the uncontrollable roll issue disappeared. I have not yet checked through the axis assignments but I will do that shortly. There are two other problems which remain. First, while in-flight, when I move one of the rudder pedals, my plane moves horizantially for a very, very short distance then starts to tip drastically in that same direction. Please allow me to emphasize that I understand that if you use too much rudder, your A-10 will start to roll out of control. However, when I use the rudder keys on my keyboard, I am able to turn about twice the distance horizantially before I start to lose control of my plane. Second issue: when I go into options to specify button assignments for the combat rudder pedals, the input fields for the Saitek controller under the "Rudder left" and "Rudder right" commands are not selectable. In addition, when I go to the "Wheel brakes Left On/off" or the corresponding "wheel brakes right..." options and open up the input field for the rudder pedals, I am not able to get the game to register my movements of the toe brakes. Is there something I'm missing in assigning buttons within A-10? Side question since we're at it: I want to attach two Cougar MFCDs to a second 22" monitor I have. What is the best software to use to output both MFCD displays to the single monitor? Helios? I've found other posts talking about this issue but I can't seem to find a post which breaks things down for me so that I can get my head around all the different programs and how to configure MFCD output. Thanks for all the help guys. Really appreciate it!
WarriorX Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 First issue; let's establish that the axis assignments are correct before we spend any time on the keyboard vs. rudder discrepancy. I would advise you install the most current driver from Saitek for your operating system as well, if one is provided. Second Issue; all rudder pedal assignments are in axis controls. Find your Saitek pedals, go down the column to the desired input row and then select the box. Now hit add and then move the rudder in the associated direction, and the Sim will register the pairing and give a text output in the field. Side Question; I have not tried to pair my Cougar MFCD's to one of my monitor's. I am waiting for when we get out of beta's to do that. Search for a Forum Member named Kuky, if I recall correctly he has some posts and or threads on setting it up. P.S. make sure you have beta forum access first. If you do not you will find a sticky post at the top of page 1 referencing beta forum access. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial
siefex Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Thanks for all the help WarriorX. I went into axis control settings and my 6 different game controllers were assigned to nearly everything. That's so bizare. So, I cleaned everything up as you guys said and now the rudder pedals work great! I even fixed the issue with the rudder pedals not adjusting the A-10's horizontal movement enough. About the beta forum access, I was promised access in the receipt e-mail I received after I purchased A-10. I, however, am unable to access the forum. I get a "insufficient privileges" message or something similar. Any idea what I should do? I already e-mailed the webmaster so hopefully he can clear everything up. Thanks again for all the help everyone. Nice to know there is a forum out there to help me navigate this huge / extremely complex game. And just BTW, the Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals are absolutely amazing. Top-notch build quality and so fun to use.
nomdeplume Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 About the beta forum access, I was promised access in the receipt e-mail I received after I purchased A-10. I, however, am unable to access the forum. I get a "insufficient privileges" message or something similar. Any idea what I should do? I already e-mailed the webmaster so hopefully he can clear everything up. There is a sticky in this forum about that. You should read (or at least skim) all the stickied threads as they provide useful/necessary information (that's why they're stickied), but this is the one regarding access to the beta forum: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=61793
wrinkleydms Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 x45 rudder problems Hi Guys, just found out why I was rolling left, and unable to steer on takeoff! My rudder shows left from rear view before take off, and I cannot control the movement accurately. The test in windows xp control panel works ok, tried various dead zones etc. I have just found the set up in the Warthog, -works fine on stick, but when setting up the rudder on the throttle, it shows full left, or full right on moving the rudder, nothing I can adjust in the set up changes what it does. Any ideas anyone? I originally noticed this when first trying the instrument training, I was supposed to be on auto pilot, but some times it rolled left, and I crashed, it hadn't been a problem for the start up training(understandably).
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