What is this manuever called??

[Shaderhacker]

 

Watch from 1:08.

 

How the hell do you do that? I have tried and tried. I know it's NOT a barrel roll because he's not making a corkscrew.

[Sov13t]

Orthogonal Roll?

[Pirke77]

''controlled barrel roll'' with this manuever when you in formation flying you can go from one wing to other wing to your leader.

 

noting special with this school manuever :)

 

p.s.

you have other perspective of this because camera is on leader plane and you can't see barrel roll like you know it :) if you look this from some tower with smoke on you will see classic barrel roll :)

S!

[slamraamproductions]

I call it the Slamraamroll, lol.

 

Actually it was just some random flying, it is not an aerobatic manoeuvre like the loop and barrel roll. Just pull, roll in slowly, roll faster, pull again and that's it.

[Shaderhacker]

I've tried this manuever several times. I either stall or over-g. I can't seem to get the plane to start a rotation around an axis.

[asparagin]

Looks like a barrel roll to me, you don't see the corkscrew, because the camera moves with the Jet.

[GGTharos]

It is a barrel roll. Barrel rolls don't have to corkscrew. It's just a dished-out barrel roll.

 

Pull up gently, barrel roll inverted with minimal pitch input, pull down.

[GGTharos]

Then you're doing it wrong. You're simply yanking on the stick, nothing more. Start an aileron roll at the top and put in just a little bit of pitch. No need to haul on the stick. These are precision maneuvers, not maximum-rip-off-your-head-and-make-it-part-of-the-canopy-violence maneuvers.

 

I've tried this manuever several times. I either stall or over-g. I can't seem to get the plane to start a rotation around an axis.

[Pirke77]

fly in formation on right side of leader , pull little up an give left angle with right ruder and fly over your leader to the left side.

trick in this that you must put some apply of commands to stay in formation all times. when you learn to fly good formation this will be come all alone.

[Shaderhacker]

What do you mean by "start an aileron at the top?"

 

Please describe precisely how to do this. I will try it

[Pirke77]

in your situation is better to see how this looks from cockpit and see your self what to do with commands .

S!

[slamraamproductions]

 

Another video with the same roll thing, maybe this helps.

( Btw, thanks for making some advertising for my videos :) )

[GGTharos]

Um ... I'm not sure how much more obvious I can make it ... ok ...

 

1. Pull stick towards yourself just a little so the plane begins to climb gently

2. Release stick to center

3. When you have reached the desired point where you want to start the roll, bank to begin the roll, and gently pull the stick towards yourself in addition to the bank, just a little.

4. Once half a roll is completed, and you are upside-down, release stick to center.

5. If the aircraft is not descending, pull the stick towards you gently and release to center.

6. Roll upright and pull pitch to level attitude.

 

 

And um ... give a shot at learning the basics of flying ... from the very start ;) You'll learn a lot of new and interesting things.

 

What do you mean by "start an aileron at the top?"

 

Please describe precisely how to do this. I will try it

[Shaderhacker]

 

Another video with the same roll thing, maybe this helps.

( Btw, thanks for making some advertising for my videos :) )

 

This is just showing off!:) How about you create a video specifically for this barrel roll and show the stick movement in the cockpit. How do you do the roll slowly? That is bad-ass!

 

-M

[Shaderhacker]

Um ... I'm not sure how much more obvious I can make it ... ok ...

 

1. Pull stick towards yourself just a little so the plane begins to climb gently

2. Release stick to center

3. When you have reached the desired point where you want to start the roll, bank to begin the roll, and gently pull the stick towards yourself in addition to the bank, just a little.

4. Once half a roll is completed, and you are upside-down, release stick to center.

5. If the aircraft is not descending, pull the stick towards you gently and release to center.

6. Roll upright and pull pitch to level attitude.

 

 

And um ... give a shot at learning the basics of flying ... from the very start ;) You'll learn a lot of new and interesting things.

 

Thanks for this. I'll give it a shot

 

I know how to basically fly:

 

 

it's just that I haven't been able to pull this move off.

 

-M

[Shaderhacker]

in your situation is better to see how this looks from cockpit and see your self what to do with commands .

S!

 

 

Agreed

[Konovalov]

Um ... I'm not sure how much more obvious I can make it ... ok ...

 

1. Pull stick towards yourself just a little so the plane begins to climb gently

2. Release stick to center

3. When you have reached the desired point where you want to start the roll, bank to begin the roll, and gently pull the stick towards yourself in addition to the bank, just a little.

4. Once half a roll is completed, and you are upside-down, release stick to center.

5. If the aircraft is not descending, pull the stick towards you gently and release to center.

6. Roll upright and pull pitch to level attitude.

 

 

And um ... give a shot at learning the basics of flying ... from the very start ;) You'll learn a lot of new and interesting things.

Gently is the word. :thumbup:

 

To encourage the gently component I would recommend loosening the grip on the flight stick or try holding the stick with the fingers, thumb and base of the palm (where fingers join hand). This is much in the same way you would grip a golf club with your bottom hand. That way you should be able to excert more precise and subtle control of the flight stick. Does this make any sense. :huh:

[Shaderhacker]

Gently is the word. :thumbup:

 

To encourage the gently component I would recommend loosening the grip on the flight stick or try holding the stick with the fingers, thumb and base of the palm (where fingers join hand). This is much in the same way you would grip a golf club with your bottom hand. That way you should be able to excert more precise and subtle control of the flight stick. Does this make any sense. :huh:

 

Yep. I think I was able to do it but it doesn't look anywhere near like the movie in the first post. The plane does a corkscrew, but I definitely can't do it that fast, and I cover a much greater distance than the vid in the first post. I just watched the tutorial Weapons Fighter School for Lock On and I can do it just like the Barrel Roll video - slow and long. This is the only way to not stall.

 

-M

[aaron886]

Keep in mind that if you're flying a loaded roll, you are actually accelerating the outside wingtip more than the center of the fuselage... in real life if you executed something like that incorrectly, you could over-stress the wingtip.

[fitness88]

Looks like a barrel roll to me, you don't see the corkscrew, because the camera moves with the Jet.

 

 

A barrel roll is a combination of a loop and a roll often confused with the aileron roll, the barrel roll is different.

[GGTharos]

A barrel roll isn't a combination of two other maneuvers - it is distinct. As far as control input goes, it is (usually) mostly aileron input with a little pitch input.

[fitness88]

A barrel roll isn't a combination of two other maneuvers - it is distinct. As far as control input goes, it is (usually) mostly aileron input with a little pitch input.

 

 

I thought so as well but every on line definition says that it is a loop and a roll in one.

 

Barrel roll

 

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Barrel roll

 

 

A barrel roll is an aerial maneuver in which an airplane makes a complete rotation on its longitudinal axis while following a helical path, approximately maintaining its original direction. It is sometimes described as "a combination of a loop and a roll".The G-force is kept positive (but not constant) on the object throughout the maneuver, commonly between 2-3 G, and no less than 0.5 G.[1]

Edited February 11, 2011 by fitness88

[GGTharos]

I don't know what you're reading but ... no.

 

A loop has you reversing direction. A barrel roll does not.

[fitness88]

I don't know what you're reading but ... no.

 

A loop has you reversing direction. A barrel roll does not.

 

 

GG I hear you...but google it and see for yourself. What your describing now sounds more like an orthoganal roll.

[aaron886]

A barrel roll does not include a change of direction. Says it right in your definition, fitness... what's all this noise about?