Uber choppers

[andqui]

Please look at the attached track, made during one of the fast missions. A flight of four Hinds just took out four American Apaches, with two Hinds left, so I attacked the remainder. On the first pass, my sidewinder left the rail, and slowing down the track I see that it detonates just above the Hind's fuselage, right in front of the rotor assemble. One or two parts fall off, but the helicopter just keeps flying as if nothing happened. After this, when I watch it, the track gets off. On the second pass, the exact same thing happened, with a direct hit or close to a direct hit exploding in a massive fireball, and the helicopter just keeps going. Detonations that close are bound to do something to the rotors, no matter how heavily armored the helicopter is. To add insult to injury, the Hind proceeded to hit me with it's cannon on my second pass, taking out some avionics.

 

1. I know nothing about the targeting capabilities of the Hind's nose cannon, but is such a shot on an air target possible? I know I was coming pretty much straight at him, so it might have been easy to hit me, if there was some way for that nose gunner to line up the shot in four seconds or so. I know I would have a very hard time making that shot in the Kamov, regardless if the target was heading right at me or not.

 

2. Why are my sidewinder's not taking choppers down? The exact same thing happened in the weapons training mission, as I was taking out a Hip- both sidewinders exploded on or right next to the helicopter. Granted, the Hip was a bit wobbly after the hits, and was not as impervious as the above Hind example, but it would have kept flying and made it back had I not torn it in half with cannon fire. I find it very hard to believe that helicopters could survive punishment like this.

 

thanks

AIM-9 wierdness.trk

[WRFirefox]

In the track, the Sidewinder shot was too short to the target - next time try the cannon:thumbup:

 

And the chopper are made for combat, so why should they fall out of the sky, if they were hit a little bit:pilotfly:

 

AND!!!! The Hog is a Mudmover! Destroy the mud moving things and let the "Hollywood-Pilots" take out the flying Bugs:music_whistling:

Edited April 15, 2011 by WRFirefox

[andqui]

1. Too short or not, the sidewinders detonated

 

2. I hardly consider a sidewinder detonating on or right next to a helicopter "a little bit" of damage. Or am I wrong about the missile's destructive power? Does shrapnel damage have less effect on a helicopter?

 

3. There are no friendly fighters generated in that mission. Regardless, a sidewinder fired from an F-15 acts in the same way as a sidewinder fired from an A-10.

[WRFirefox]

The Sidwinder dotonated also near your position - so be happy that you carry no damage out of your attack. And be sure, that a F-15 acts out of an other Range against chopper...

 

and try out the Mission Generator in the Mission Editor - there you can build in simply the Units, that you want! GREAT TOOL!

Edited April 15, 2011 by WRFirefox

[andqui]

thanks for the responses, but none of them explain why that chopper was able to keep going.

 

And while the F-15 may fire the missile from further away, the missile itself still behaves in the same way as if it were fired from the A-10- i.e. does the same amount of damage.

[stormrider]

I knew that the Hinds were some tough bast****, but that toughness does surprise me too.

[636_Castle]

Given, I haven't looked at the track, but if your missile didn't impact the helicopter I wouldn't expect it to fall out of the sky. Like WRFirefox said, it's a combat helicopter, and a little fragmentation isn't going to drop it, especially a Hind.

[andqui]

I do realize that Hinds and other military helicopters are built to sustain damage, but a Sidewinder missile detonating less than a meter above the fuselage, right next to the rotors, is going to do something. Again, this isn't just with Hinds- this has happened to me with a Hip as well.

[winz]

The AI can pull out some sick, unrealistic, manevuers with their choppers. I was once shot down by a Ka50 while I was oveflying it. the Shark did a 90 degree tail dive to aim it cannon at me. For my experience in BS, there is no way to pull that off (diving, while aiming and locking your skhval on a target overflying you at 200+ knots).

 

The same way I once saw a Hind shred a F15C flight. They F15C used all their missiles on Migs and failed misserable in using their cannons againts the hinds.

[PhiXX]

From my experience in aerial combat in the a10, the damage models certainly are a bit weak. You can literally pump them full of 30mm of pure GAUness, often they'll hapily limp away with minor damage. While I understand that survivability may be high if no important systems like the engines are hit, I also remember a german MiG-29 pilot talking about desintegrating those F-18s with 2 or 3 bullets of his maingun.

I was referring to both hind and su25/mig29